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    Default Benefits for gay couples start in N.J.

    Good for N.J.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070219/...eGRKaIg_5vzwcF

    TEANECK, N.J. - Hundreds of gay couples received the same legal protections as married couples early Monday when a law making New Jersey the third state in the nation to offer civil unions took effect.

    The civil unions — which offer the legal benefits but not the title of marriage — were granted automatically to the hundreds of gay New Jersey couples who have been joined in civil unions or married in other states or nations.

    At least one couple held a ceremony at the first possible moment. Steven Goldstein and Daniel Gross reaffirmed their Vermont civil union shortly after midnight. They would have had the rights in New Jersey even without holding a midnight ceremony here.

    State Sen. Loretta Weinberg, a prime sponsor of the civil unions law who hosted ceremonies for couples including Goldstein and Gross in her office, called the day "a big giant step forward."

    A handful of town halls across the state also opened at 12:01 a.m. to accept civil union license applications from couples who had not been so joined previously. They must wait 72 hours before they can hold civil union ceremonies, and several plan to exchange vows early Thursday.

    Among those couples were Marty Finkle and Michael Plake of South Orange. A few dozen friends, Finkle's 17-year-old daughter and several local officials showed up to cheer the couple as they filled out paperwork in their town hall.

    The couple also was one of the first in the state to register in a domestic partnership in 2004. Domestic partnerships offered a handful of the benefits and obligations of civil unions.

    New Jersey lawmakers hastily created civil unions last December, less than two months after a state Supreme Court decision held that gay couples had a right to the same benefits as married couples.

    Gay rights activists in the state say they'll continue to press for full marriage rights through both political channels and lawsuits. Some social conservative groups, meanwhile, are pledging to block same-sex marriage by pressing for an amendment to the state constitution that prohibits such unions.

    Forty-five states have legal or constitutional bans on same-sex marriages. Only Massachusetts allows gay couples to marry, while California offers domestic partnerships.

    Goldstein, the chairman of the gay rights group Garden State Equality, and Gross, a vice president at Goldman Sachs, held their ceremony behind a desk in a cramped office instead of a more idyllic or religious spot.

    There were several kisses, a prayer reading, friends and journalists, but no music, no dancing and none of the breaking-of-the-glass that is traditional in Jewish weddings.

    The couple did that in a Jewish wedding service in Canada in 2002 — the first same-sex union featured in the wedding pages of The New York Times — and promised even grander festivities if they can gain the right to marry in New Jersey.

    As part of their ceremony, their rabbi, Elliott Tepperman, asked the people gathered: "Do you vow to continue your support for true marriage equality?"

    "This was really all about receiving a piece of paper that had some recognition of our status," Gross said.

    Teaneck registrar Laura Turnbull finished processing their civil union license — No. 1 — at 12:09 a.m.

    Meanwhile, in Asbury Park — a community revived largely by a growing gay population and one where two men were married, though it wasn't recognized in 2004 — five gay couples completed civil union licenses in the first hour of the day.

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    Herein lies the question that I have struggled with immensly:

    Where do we stop?

    Don't bitch liberals, cause I actually at this point, am more on your side. The question though, still stands.

    Consenting adults?

    Is this a good starting point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    Herein lies the question that I have struggled with immensly:

    Where do we stop?

    Don't bitch liberals, cause I actually at this point, am more on your side. The question though, still stands.

    Consenting adults?

    Is this a good starting point?
    Consenting adults seems to be a good starting and ending point. Is there another point at which you think it should begin and end?

    FWIW, I'm not bitching about your question and gave you my answer. Just wondering where you see the line?

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    Shoot....I'm going to go grab some stranger on the street, so we can go and claim some of them benefits....
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    consenting adults is pretty broad...

    bother brother

    sister sister

    brother sister

    mother son

    mother daughter

    father son

    father daughter

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    Consenting adults seems to be a good starting and ending point. Is there another point at which you think it should begin and end?

    FWIW, I'm not bitching about your question and gave you my answer. Just wondering where you see the line?
    Not familiar with FWIW, but no worries. I would let you know.


    You gave a starting point, and then you gave an ending point. Thus, this should be easy. As you will see it is not. Because your premise is:


    Consenting adults



    Are you telling me, there are no limits to this? I await.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Shoot....I'm going to go grab some stranger on the street, so we can go and claim some of them benefits....
    you act like that is not how you girls in alaska get a man

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Shoot....I'm going to go grab some stranger on the street, so we can go and claim some of them benefits....
    Hey you could also just grab someone up and marry him anywhere to get some benifits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    consenting adults is pretty broad...

    bother brother

    sister sister

    brother sister

    mother son

    mother daughter

    father son

    father daughter

    Go steal someone else's punch





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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal Nation View Post
    Hey you could also just grab someone up and marry him anywhere to get some benefits.
    Don't have to...
    I'm able to make my own way in life, and not force myself on other's to get what I want...
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    k then what was the point of your first comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Don't have to...
    I'm able to make my own way in life, and not force myself on other's to get what I want...
    Do married couples have a legal benefit over non married couples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    you act like that is not how you girls in Alaska get a man
    My lasso is hanging in the closet...It's retired...
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    Do married couples have a legal benefit over non married couples?
    Yes they do have benifits over non married couples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    Go steal someone else's punch





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    soory, but i am impatient.....too many video games don't cah know

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