Bush compares Revolutionary, terror wars

[Gunny]

Really he didn't compare the war on terror to the American revolution, he didn't do it during a celebration of George Washington day to trumpet his own foreign policy. It somehow in your mind a great comparison and he’s a genius for thinking it up.

How many times are you going to get burned for putting words in my mouth before you get the idea you aren't anywhere as smart as you think you are, and not intuitive at all if your attempting to guess what I'm thinking is representative of it?

To the contrary, I have never accused Bush of being a genuis.

Likewise, odds are REAL good I will never accuse you of being one either; although, you must think you're a genius for dragging up some non-issue such as this and attempting to politicize it.

[LiberalNation]

Any Americans held have been caught plotting to kill people like you, and they have been given due process.

Jose Padilla was an American and they did not give him access to the courts for quite a long time. Too long to be legit.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406c.asp

[LiberalNation]

you must think you're a genius for dragging up some non-issue such as this and attempting to politicize it.

This is a political issue, I had no need to politicize it. When the prez says something it's open for public opinion, judgement, and discussion. This also happens to be just the type of board where things like this are discussed, it is a news and current event board, he is a public figure who made the news.

[Gunny]

Jose Padilla was an American and they did not give him access to the courts for quite a long time. Too long to be legit.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406c.asp

José Padilla (born October 18, 1970), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah, is a U.S. citizen accused of being a terrorist by the United States government. He was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to the normal protection of U.S. law or the Geneva Conventions. On January 3, 2006, he was transferred to a Miami, Florida jail to face criminal conspiracy charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...eged_terrorist)

This Jose Padilla? Guess you need to educate yourself a bit since he falls within the parameters outlined by gaffer.

[Dilloduck]

What actions ??? Aren't terrorists capable of diplomacy if they have a beef with America ?

WHAT ACTIONS ?

[LiberalNation]

This Jose Padilla? Guess you need to educate yourself a bit since he falls within the parameters outlined by gaffer.

Bush does not have the right to declare Americans enemy combatents and lock them up without access to the courts or council. It's unconstitutional to say the least.

[Dilloduck]

Never said that. You can't help but piss people off when your playing on the world stage. That's what happened here with the terrorists. They're attacks were not a justified responce to our actions IMO.

What actions?-------What did America do that made Islamists feel it necessary to declare war on us and start killing us ?

[Gunny]

Bush does not have the right to declare Americans enemy combatents and lock them up without access to the courts or council. It's unconstitutional to say the least.

Yes he does, and it is not unconstitutional. Guess you missed this part:

The order legally justified the detention using the AUMF, which authorized the President to "use all necessary force against . . . such nations, organizations, or persons" and by opining that a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil can be classified an enemy combatant. (This opinion is based on the decision of the United States Supreme Court in the case of ex parte Quirin, a case involving the detention of a group of German-Americans working for Nazi Germany).[3]

[LiberalNation]

Go ask OBL.

[LiberalNation]

Yes he does, and it is not unconstitutional. Guess you missed this part:

Yep I did, revise to say should be unconstitutional. The SC let Japanese Americans be locked away in camps during WW2 without justification and that was legal at the time too. Doesn't mean it was right or stayed that way.

[Dilloduck]

Go ask OBL.

I'm asking you---- !!!!

[Gunny]

Go ask OBL.

This is a response? To what? It is rather intellectually bankrupt for any kind or response to anything asked.

[LiberalNation]

Why, how should I know all the grievances the terrorist had which led them to attack us.

[Gunny]

Yep I did, revise to say should be unconstitutional. The SC let Japanese Americans be locked away in camps during WW2 without justification and that was legal at the time too. Doesn't mean it was right or stayed that way.

How FDR handled the Japanese during WWII is irrelevant and a poor attempt to deflect.

The fact is, you attempted to use an example to support your disagreement with gaffer, when that example actually supported his statement and refuted yours.

[Dilloduck]

Why, how should I know all the grievances the terrorist had which led them to attack us.

I think understanding the entire context of his WOT might be helpful when you complain about how we fight it. I realize that you don't care what people think about but you are sounding more and more like a product of our grand liberal education system.