Was FDR a fascist?

[flaja]

What does this have to do with FDR?

How could FDR’s social security have made him a liberal when the world’s first social security system was created by a conservative?

I was merely pointing out how easy it is for people on the net to have a false view of what constitutes conservatism and liberalism. If we cannot agree on what the labels mean beforehand, we have no hope of applying the labels in the course of discussion. What has historically been called conservative is often far removed from the dog-eat-dog libertarianism that gets passed off as conservatism on the net.

[glockmail]

How could FDR’s social security have made him a liberal when the world’s first social security system was created by a conservative?

I was merely pointing out how easy it is for people on the net to have a false view of what constitutes conservatism and liberalism. If we cannot agree on what the labels mean beforehand, we have no hope of applying the labels in the course of discussion. What has historically been called conservative is often far removed from the dog-eat-dog libertarianism that gets passed off as conservatism on the net.

Non Sequitur

As we are discussing in contemporary USA, the labels are simply:
1. Conservative: Federal government should restrict its actions to those specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
2. Liberal: government is the solution to all society's ills.

[diuretic]

So what? He attacked them.

I'd like to respond but I need a bit more info. I know "he" is FDR, but who are "them"?

[diuretic]

Non Sequitur

As we are discussing in contemporary USA, the labels are simply:
1. Conservative: Federal government should restrict its actions to those specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
2. Liberal: government is the solution to all society's ills.

1. Conservative: want to dismantle all government and replace it with private interests that are not accountable to the people.
2. Liberal: government has to be of an appropriate size and influence to provide basic and even advanced services to the population but not so large that the energies of the private sector are extinguished.

[manu1959]

1. Conservative: want to dismantle all government and replace it with private interests that are not accountable to the people.
2. Liberal: government has to be of an appropriate size and influence to provide basic and even advanced services to the population but not so large that the energies of the private sector are extinguished.

1. is an anarchist

2. is a moderate

[glockmail]

I'd like to respond but I need a bit more info. I know "he" is FDR, but who are "them"?

Fascists in your post 28.

[glockmail]

1. Conservative: want to dismantle all government and replace it with private interests that are not accountable to the people.
2. Liberal: government has to be of an appropriate size and influence to provide basic and even advanced services to the population but not so large that the energies of the private sector are extinguished.

Your definitions are out of whack.

[diuretic]

Fascists in your post 28.

You mean the people who plotted against FDR? The same ones that approached Smedley Butler?

[diuretic]

Your definitions are out of whack.

According to whom?

[Kathianne]

1. Conservative: want to dismantle all government and replace it with private interests that are not accountable to the people.
2. Liberal: government has to be of an appropriate size and influence to provide basic and even advanced services to the population but not so large that the energies of the private sector are extinguished.

Conservative: want to have the least government possible, while providing for the common good.

Liberal: Government to take care of the unwashed masses, who send money to provide for such.

[glockmail]

You mean the people who plotted against FDR? The same ones that approached Smedley Butler?

The Germans and Italians.

[glockmail]

According to whom?

http://www.liberalparty.org/platform.shtml

http://www.acuf.org/principles/p_philos.asp

[diuretic]

The Germans and Italians.

Oh them, yes, the Allies were lined up against them between 1939 and 1945.

[Psychoblues]

By "them" I must assume you were speaking of those fascist conservatives of the 3rd Reich? Correct me if I am wrong, OK?

Oh them, yes, the Allies were lined up against them between 1939 and 1945.

[diuretic]

http://www.liberalparty.org/platform.shtml

http://www.acuf.org/principles/p_philos.asp

Ah, a party platform from the Liberal Party of the USA and a speech from Ronald Reagan to the Conservative Union (which of course isn't a party but is a philosophical and political grouping similar to the Socialist International). Interesting stuff but not that relevant to the pithy definitions being discussed.