Bush Goes Against Military Advisors in Tonights Speech

[Mr. P]

Well, that would be one solution. Totally uncivilised, but a solution nonetheless..

And WAR is civilised?

[Gunny]

And WAR is civilised?

I think we've proven enough that war cannot be fought by arbitrary, holier-than-thou rules. I got called a dinosaur for thinking we should wage total war.

Which war that we fought unconditionally as a total war have we lost? None.

How many have we won trying to be PC? None.

The evidence is pretty clear to me.

[Grumplestillskin]

Doing so would mean "Leave Iraq to Al-Qaida." Do you 'really' want OBL to command Iraq and all of it's resources?

Won't happen..

[Grumplestillskin]

And WAR is civilised?

Not really, but aspects of it can be. That is why there is the GC

[Mr. P]

I think we've proven enough that war cannot be fought by arbitrary, holier-than-thou rules. I got called a dinosaur for thinking we should wage total war.

Which war that we fought unconditionally as a total war have we lost? None.

How many have we won trying to be PC? None.

The evidence is pretty clear to me.

Agreed.

[Mr. P]

Not really, but aspects of it can be. That is why there is the GC

Which aspects?

[Gunny]

Won't happen..

Leaving Iraq now would all but insure a fundamentalist Islamic government. It doesn't matter whether or not it is AQ and/or bin Laden specifically.

[Grumplestillskin]

Which aspects?

Limiting civilian casualties. Treating POW;s humanely....

[Grumplestillskin]

Leaving Iraq now would all but insure a fundamentalist Islamic government. It doesn't matter whether or not it is AQ and/or bin Laden specifically.

I'd be surprised if there is any form of cohesive govt after the US pulls out...Might be for six months or so, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Somalia or Afghanistan....

[Mr. P]

Limiting civilian casualties. Treating POW;s humanely....

Pow's Ok..civilians? Civilians need to get the fuck out..bombs aren't selective..

[Gunny]

Pow's Ok..civilians? Civilians need to get the fuck out..bombs aren't selective..

If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.

[Dilloduck]

If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.

That's the damn truth.

[Mr. P]

If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.

Yup.

[Dilloduck]

Yup.

The "civilians that start shooting asshats" need a leader, a cause and a name to rally around. I think the cause has to be Iraqi sovereignty.

[Mr. P]

The "civilians that start shooting asshats" need a leader, a cause and a name to rally around. I think the cause has to be Iraqi sovereignty.

Sure does! My tax $$$ doesn't need to go there in aid. Hell no, not when they have all that oil to pay the bills!!!!