Compromise?

[flaja]

Generally speaking liberals want:

Universal healthcare

Higher taxes for the “rich”

To stop global warming

Human rights for animals, especially primates

To stop the war in Iraq and war in general

Less spending for the military

Public financing for political campaigns

More spending for public education

More spending for Social Security programs.

Generally speaking conservatives want:

Lower taxes

To uphold the sanctity of monogamous heterosexual marriage

To end abortion

Line item veto for the president on spending legislation

Balanced budget either with or without an amendment to the Constitution

A public education system that works

More spending for the military

Win the war in Iraq

Privatize Social Security.

Now, is there anything that the liberals would accept from the conservative list in exchange for getting something in the liberal list? Is there anything in the liberal list that consevatives would accept in order to get something from their own list? What are you willing to trade?

[Yurt]

i would trade you mclame, but you already have him.

[flaja]

i would trade you mclame, but you already have him.

I don’t have him since I am a conservative but not a Republican while he is a Republican but not a conservative.

[manu1959]

I don’t have him since I am a conservative but not a Republican while he is a Republican but not a conservative.

what is your list mr conservative..........

[flaja]

what is your list mr conservative..........

If you are asking for my list of preferred candidates, I don’t have one.

I wouldn’t personally compromise on any social issue, but I would be willing to at least discuss anything else.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. I like your listing skills.
2. But where are the numbers?
3. Its a numbers game, never forget that.
4. *Oh and welcome to my corner of the Internet.*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[truthmatters]

Generally speaking liberals want:

Universal healthcare : Most Americans want this now not just liberals

Higher taxes for the “rich” : Higher taxes on those who gain most from our system is a logical thing to do at this point , If you try raising taxes on a lower and middle class in the middle of a downturn it wont work out to well. We need to pay for what we are spending and we can not cut spending we have to do both cut and raise taxes like any sane country would

To stop global warming : we want to limmit our human impact. Global warming is not only man made but our contribution to the equation is not helping our world. Another benifit of gettting off of oil is to take the power out of the hands of a whole cabal of humans who have proven they will use all the profits to try to destroy our country.

Human rights for animals, especially primates : wrong

To stop the war in Iraq and war in general :Its not smart to wage wars that harm your own country

Less spending for the military :We can cut our military spending and still spend vast amounts more than any other country in the world.

Public financing for political campaigns :I would like to give free airtime to all qualified candidates(petition signatures) and make it so that ONLY individual voters can give money to a campaign.

More spending for public education : Ask any company CEO and they will tell you you cant change any business practice for the better without spending some money , our greatest asset is our people

More spending for Social Security programs. :If we just pay SS back what we have taken from it it will be fine hense the military spending cut.



I dont see how I can give up what I have not asked for (human rights for animals, ending global warming) I dont see why we need to give up things most Americans want like Health care, fairer tax system, better eco policy, End to Iraq war, Less military spending, clean elections, schools that work and a solvent SS program.

[flaja]

Sorry bout that,

1. I like your listing skills.
2. But where are the numbers?
3. Its a numbers game, never forget that.
4. *Oh and welcome to my corner of the Internet.*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I don’t understand: Numbers?

Explain. Are you asking about the relative number of liberals and conservatives, or are you asking about how much money compromise would cost?

[truthmatters]

He posts in a list style on every post I have ever seen him make.

He is pretty wacky

[Hobbit]

Generally speaking liberals want:

Universal healthcare : Most Americans want this now not just liberals

If it's a majority, it's a small one consisting of ignorant morons with no grasp of how government, taxes, and the free market work who assume that what it would amount to is the same health care they get now without having to pay for it.

Higher taxes for the “rich” : Higher taxes on those who gain most from our system is a logical thing to do at this point , If you try raising taxes on a lower and middle class in the middle of a downturn it wont work out to well. We need to pay for what we are spending and we can not cut spending we have to do both cut and raise taxes like any sane country would

You make two points here, so I'll address them individually.
1: What is logical about confiscating through the use of force a greater percentage of person B's money solely because person B has had the wherewithal to make his time more valuable. It's punitive of hard work and impoverishes those who provide the majority of jobs, thus impoverishing those they hire. If you tax the people who buy boats, the people who make boats lose their jobs.
2. The past 3 major tax cuts have resulted in an increase in federal revenues. The reason there's still a deficit is because spending increases faster than revenues.

To stop global warming : we want to limmit our human impact. Global warming is not only man made but our contribution to the equation is not helping our world. Another benifit of gettting off of oil is to take the power out of the hands of a whole cabal of humans who have proven they will use all the profits to try to destroy our country.

Where is this within the power of the federal government, for one. And for another, how is a single degree over a period of 100 years, during which we saw a declining ice age and increased solar activity any kind of crisis. I also find it a convenient coincidence that all of these environmental solutions involve increasing the size of the government, punishing the rich, and regulation individual behavior. It almost makes me think the environmental movement might have another agenda...

Human rights for animals, especially primates : wrong

I'll side with you here. PETA may be considered liberal, but animal rights don't seem to be on the Democrat agenda.

To stop the war in Iraq and war in general :Its not smart to wage wars that harm your own country

How has it harmed our country? By keeping the terrorists who want us dead focused on another country? By systematically wiping out some of the most prolific terrorists in the world? I don't see anything negative this war has done to our country that wasn't hundreds of times worse in every other war we've ever fought. Only the division surpasses anything other than Vietnam, and that's not a function of the war, but rather a function of its politicization.

Less spending for the military :We can cut our military spending and still spend vast amounts more than any other country in the world.

Our military needs are not the same as the rest of the world. The question should not be, "Are we spending as much as anybody else?" It should be, "Are we spending enough to get the job done?" What you have suggested would be like trying to cut the power budget of an amusement park because you can do so and still have a larger power budget than the 2 bedroom house next door.

Public financing for political campaigns :I would like to give free airtime to all qualified candidates(petition signatures) and make it so that ONLY individual voters can give money to a campaign.

Doing this would not only involve infringing upon the first amendment rights of anybody deemed unqualified to count as an individual voter, it would involve seizing resources (airtime) from one person through the use of force and using those resources towards an end that isn't in any way beneficial to those whose effort created those resources. It's authoritarian, socialist, and propagates the idea that more government regulation is the universal solution to everything.

More spending for public education : Ask any company CEO and they will tell you you cant change any business practice for the better without spending some money , our greatest asset is our people

Ask anybody from Wal-Mart sacker to CEO and they'll tell you that if repeated budget increases for a department have been met with steady or declining results, increasing their budget again won't do anything different. The NEA is a black hole which sucks up tax dollars and continues to spit out self-centered brats who can't read worth crap who think Isaac Newton invented those little fruit-filled snack cakes.

More spending for Social Security programs. :If we just pay SS back what we have taken from it it will be fine hense the military spending cut.

We don't collect enough taxes in a year to resurrect that program, and I'm not just talking SS taxes, I'm talking ALL taxes. It WILL collapse. The only question is when.

I dont see how I can give up what I have not asked for (human rights for animals, ending global warming) I dont see why we need to give up things most Americans want like Health care, fairer tax system, better eco policy, End to Iraq war, Less military spending, clean elections, schools that work and a solvent SS program.

Most of those things you list as being desired by 'a majority of Americans' either aren't or they are, but your proposed solution would either infringe on Constitutional freedoms (campaign finance reform) or do the opposite of what you claim (raising taxes, yet again, on the horrible, evil rich people who make their money cheating poor people by giving them jobs and health insurance benefits).

[avatar4321]

Generally speaking liberals want:

Universal healthcare : Most Americans want this now not just liberals

Higher taxes for the “rich” : Higher taxes on those who gain most from our system is a logical thing to do at this point , If you try raising taxes on a lower and middle class in the middle of a downturn it wont work out to well. We need to pay for what we are spending and we can not cut spending we have to do both cut and raise taxes like any sane country would

To stop global warming : we want to limmit our human impact. Global warming is not only man made but our contribution to the equation is not helping our world. Another benifit of gettting off of oil is to take the power out of the hands of a whole cabal of humans who have proven they will use all the profits to try to destroy our country.

Human rights for animals, especially primates : wrong

To stop the war in Iraq and war in general :Its not smart to wage wars that harm your own country

Less spending for the military :We can cut our military spending and still spend vast amounts more than any other country in the world.

Public financing for political campaigns :I would like to give free airtime to all qualified candidates(petition signatures) and make it so that ONLY individual voters can give money to a campaign.

More spending for public education : Ask any company CEO and they will tell you you cant change any business practice for the better without spending some money , our greatest asset is our people

More spending for Social Security programs. :If we just pay SS back what we have taken from it it will be fine hense the military spending cut.



I dont see how I can give up what I have not asked for (human rights for animals, ending global warming) I dont see why we need to give up things most Americans want like Health care, fairer tax system, better eco policy, End to Iraq war, Less military spending, clean elections, schools that work and a solvent SS program.

and you seriously wonder why everyone things you are a wacko socialist...

[truthmatters]

More Americans agree with me than you avatar.


This does not make me a socialist it makes me part of the American majority.

[gabosaurus]

Forget the arguments. Resign yourself that it is going to happen and learn to accept it.

[flaja]

Generally speaking liberals want:

Universal healthcare : Most Americans want this now not just liberals

If most Americans want this, then they would be telling the politicians that they want universal healthcare and every politician that is now running for office would be promising it.

But perhaps I should clarify: Liberals want universal healthcare that is paid for by the government, i.e., they want socialized medicine.

Higher taxes for the “rich” : Higher taxes on those who gain most from our system is a logical thing to do at this point

When Hell freezes over. It is immoral to expect someone to pay more just because they can afford to pay more. Progressive taxation is typical liberalism.

To stop global warming : we want to limmit our human impact. Global warming is not only man made but our contribution to the equation is not helping our world. Another benifit of gettting off of oil is to take the power out of the hands of a whole cabal of humans who have proven they will use all the profits to try to destroy our country.

There is no scientific evidence showing that humans are causing global warming for the simple fact that we cannot test any man-made global warming hypothesis because we don’t have a spare earth to use as a control group. We can determine the effects of human activity on the earth only if we had an earth that is completely void of human activity.

Human rights for animals, especially primates : wrong

Peta and the Green Party aren’t liberal/left-leaning organizations?

What about Barak Obama? Is he not a liberal? http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...704179,00.html

To stop the war in Iraq and war in general :Its not smart to wage wars that harm your own country

It’s not smart to let a rabid dictator with a history of using WMD go unchecked either.

Less spending for the military :We can cut our military spending and still spend vast amounts more than any other country in the world.

The U.S. hasn’t spent as much as 10% of its GDP on military spending in almost 50 years:
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/mili...ative-size.php

On average the yearly military spending from 1940 to 2003 was only 8.4%. Between 1981 and 2003 the average yearly spending was only 4.79% of GDP.

In 2003 the purchasing power of Red China’s military budget was $140,000,000,000, and in March 2006 China had 2,255,000 active duty military personel. And according to U.S. Department of Defense estimates China’s military spending between 2004 and 2005 accounted for 4.2% of China’s GDP when our military budget during this time was only 3.7% of our GDP. And at the same time Russia’s military budget took up 12% of that country’s GDP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...ublic_of_China

Public financing for political campaigns :I would like to give free airtime to all qualified candidates(petition signatures) and make it so that ONLY individual voters can give money to a campaign.

I would like to restrict candidates from taking campaign money from anyone other than individual voters that are eligible to vote for the candidate. However, I am absolutely opposed to telling business owners that they must give or sell air time to any candidate whom they don’t support. Mandated speech is just as wrong as restricted speech.

More spending for public education : Ask any company CEO and they will tell you you cant change any business practice for the better without spending some money , our greatest asset is our people

Doesn’t the U.S. spend more on public education than is customary in other countries? So why do students in other countries outscore us on standardized exams?

More spending for Social Security programs. :If we just pay SS back what we have taken from it it will be fine hense the military spending cut.

I suppose none of what we borrow from the Social Security trust fund ever goes to public schools, HUD, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC (or whatever it is called now), free school lunches or food stamps. For several decades now military spending has taken up less than 50% of the federal budget with the remainder going mostly to welfare spending.

I dont see how I can give up what I have not asked for (human rights for animals, ending global warming)

When did I say that every liberal wants everything in the list?

[flaja]

He posts in a list style on every post I have ever seen him make.

He is pretty wacky

Considering that I have a scientist's training (bachelor's degree in biology), I tend to do things in a systematic manner.