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    Default Higher grades contradict test scores

    I think it's probably because the classes teach to everyone. The students who are slower or just don't care hold back the others and teachers give you "easy grades" like word searches to help kids out because having a lot of kids fail their class looks bad on them. I've never had a math class that got through all the material they were supposed to cover by the end of the year. We are lucky to get through half.

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    WASHINGTON - High school students are getting better grades and taking more challenging courses, but that apparent progress is not showing up on national math and reading tests.

    "The reality is that the results don't square," said Darvin Winick, chair of the independent National Assessment Governing Board, which oversees the tests. Scores were released Thursday.

    Nearly 40 percent of high school seniors scored below the basic level on the math test. More than a quarter of seniors failed to reach the basic level on the reading test. Most educators think students ought to be able to work at the basic level.

    "I think that we are sleeping through a crisis," said Massachusetts Commissioner of Education David Driscoll, a governing board member. He said the low test scores should push lawmakers and educators to enact school reforms.

    The new reading scores show no change since 2002, the last time the test was given.

    "We should be getting better. There's nothing good about a flat score," Winick said.

    The government said it could not compare the math results with the previous scores because the latest test was significantly different.

    The National Assessment of Educational Progress — often called the nation's report card — is viewed as the best way to compare students across the country because it's the only uniform national yardstick for how well students are learning.

    The tests were given in 2005. The government released the scores Thursday along with a report examining the high school transcripts of 2005 graduates.

    The transcript study shows high school students are earning more credits, taking more challenging courses and getting higher grade-point averages than in the past.

    In 2005, high school graduates had an overall grade-point average just shy of 3.0 — or about a B. That has gone up from a grade-point average of about 2.7 in 1990.

    It is unclear whether student performance has improved or whether grade inflation or something else might be responsible, the report said.

    More students are completing high school with a standard curriculum, meaning they take at least four credits of English and three credits each of social studies, math and science. More students also are taking the next level of courses, which generally includes college preparatory classes.

    "I'm guessing that those levels don't connote the level of rigor that we think they do. Otherwise kids would be scoring higher on the NAEP test," said David Gordon, a governing board member and the superintendent of schools in Sacramento, Calif.

    The study showed no increase in the number of high-schoolers who completed the most advanced curriculum, which could include college-level or honors classes.

    On the math test, about 60 percent of high school seniors performed at or above the basic level. At that level, a student should be able to convert a decimal to a fraction, for example.

    Just one-fourth of 12th-graders were proficient or better in math, meaning they demonstrated solid academic performance. To qualify as "proficient," students might have to determine what type of graph should be used to display particular types of data.

    On the reading test, about three-fourths of seniors performed at or above the basic level, while 40 percent hit the proficient mark.

    Seniors working at a basic reading level can identify elements of an author's style. At the proficient level, they can make inferences from reading material, draw conclusions from it and make connections to their own experiences.

    As in the past, the math and reading scores showed large achievement gaps between white students and minorities.

    Forty-three percent of white students scored at or above proficient levels on the reading test, compared with 20 percent of Hispanic students and 16 percent of black students.

    On the math test, 29 percent of white students reached the proficient level, compared with 8 percent of Hispanics and 6 percent of blacks.

    The gap in reading scores between whites and minorities was relatively unchanged since 2002.

    One of the stated goals of the federal No Child Left Behind law is to reduce the gaps in achievement between whites and minorities.

    The law is up for review this year. It currently requires reading and math tests annually in grades three through eight and once in high school. The Bush administration wants to add more testing in high school.

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    Any teacher can grade on a curve. Test scores are the results they ought to look at, not teachers' grades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    Any teacher can grade on a curve. Test scores are the results they ought to look at, not teachers' grades.
    Not to mention how different the grading parameters can be. For example, our school district requires a student achieve a 93 to get an "A", and so on down the line. In my experiece, most schools give out an A if you get a 90. We need something uniform to gauge learning, or we may be comparing apples and oranges.
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    pass the test or don't graduate....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    pass the test or don't graduate....
    Well that's just NOT fair! You asshole!

    grades!

    It's the being there and the face time that counts! But most important is that everone feels LOVED!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Well that's just NOT fair! You asshole!

    grades!

    It's the being there and the face time that counts! But most important is that everone feels LOVED!

    fuck em.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    fuck em.....
    Agreed.
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    I tell ya, it's like reading poetry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    I tell ya, it's like reading poetry.
    Yeah, the poetry in my sig. Hey, that's multi-thousand dollar poetry, and in the 60s, that was a crapload of money.
    "Lighght"
    - This 'poem' was bought and paid for with $2,250 of YOUR money.

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