Aussie Oscar winner Eva Orner slams US as 'war criminals'

[stephanie]

She isn't dissing all Americans, just the administration. It's her right, from our perspective, or did you miss that little section of our opening documents?

We didn't say Americans are entitled to Free Speech, we see it as a basic human right. Read the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights, I swear to you, it's in there.

Free speech means accepting that, sometimes, people are going to say things you don't like, and don't agree with. She has that right.

You keep saying she isn't bashing the troops...what do you call this..

"Obviously, everyone's responsible for their own actions, but you put people in bad situations who are ill-equipped, not trained, under enormous pressure and getting orders from above to do bad things," she told ABC Radio from Los Angeles today.

and you're right she has the freedom of speech....and we have the freedom to call her a stupid ignorant bitch for saying what she said...

[diuretic]

I'll be certain to read that book, doc, and thanks alot!!!!!!!!!




Wasn't that book profiled on C-Span BookTV a week or so ago?

Dunno PB, I can't get C-Span here. But it was a really good read, Harris is not just a very good writer, he's also got a fine eye for irony.

[diuretic]

One doesnt have to see the film to know that they have no case for the war criminals claim. if they did, we would be seeing it in court, not a "documentary". And with Hollywoods track record of of supporting political documentaries, i see no reason to take it seriously.

If you can get hold of "Ghost" the Robert Harris book I mentioned in talking with PB you'll see the problem with getting Bush/Cheney and the rest of the cabal in front of a war crime tribunal. You'll also see that Bush/Cheney when they leave the White House will be very careful about overseas travel. Bush will probably go back to Midland and vegetate there. Cheney will wander the continental US shooting things. Both will probably not travel outside the US a great deal. I loved the reference in the Harris book about "emergency landings".

I don't know if I'll see the film either.

[Monkeybone]

I responded more to your post than the article, DS'72. What's that you said about her dissing all Americans? She is not an American so why or how do you suspect she should claim her American rights? Two questions, DS'72, please address both of them.

he didn't say "American Rights", just that it was her right to say what she wanted.

and what? an Aussie can't have rights but a terroist, drug smuggler and whoever can?

read the post and talk about it instead of being a fucking Troll Psycho.

[JohnDoe]

You keep saying she isn't bashing the troops...what do you call this..

"Obviously, everyone's responsible for their own actions, but you put people in bad situations who are ill-equipped, not trained, under enormous pressure and getting orders from above to do bad things," she told ABC Radio from Los Angeles today.

To me, this comment is not dissing the troops one bit, but is bashing the leadership and authorities over the troops....primarily the orders of the CIC.

jd

[stephanie]

To me, this comment is not dissing the troops one bit, but is bashing the leadership and authorities over the troops....primarily the orders of the CIC.

jd

Your opinion dear......I see it differently.......she is saying that our troops are too stupid, and untrained to understand an order...

"Obviously, everyone's responsible for their own actions, but you put people in bad situations who are ill-equipped, not trained, under enormous pressure and getting orders from above to do bad things," she told ABC Radio from Los Angeles today.

and what the hell does an actress know what the hell would go on in a combat situation anyway........what she reads from the rolling stone magazine...

We agree to disagree......I can't stand people like this who live high off in some dream world who probably never has any contact with REAL PEOPLE, and if they do they wear wigs and hid their faces cause they are so much better than the rest of us little people and if those ordinary folks just want to get a peek at them they are bother by them.......all they want is their money from those little people.And then make statements to try and act like they are really really not STUPID.....REALLLLLLLLY MAN

[avatar4321]

If you can get hold of "Ghost" the Robert Harris book I mentioned in talking with PB you'll see the problem with getting Bush/Cheney and the rest of the cabal in front of a war crime tribunal. You'll also see that Bush/Cheney when they leave the White House will be very careful about overseas travel. Bush will probably go back to Midland and vegetate there. Cheney will wander the continental US shooting things. Both will probably not travel outside the US a great deal. I loved the reference in the Harris book about "emergency landings".

I don't know if I'll see the film either.

I highly doubt the President or Vice President will have any problem traveling anywhere after they are done. unless of course the next President does something very stupid to make people hate Americans.

I'm not saying he is planning a trip to Venezuela or Iran. Those nations are hostile to us and I'm not sure I'd want the actual President going there let alone a former President.

[Abbey Marie]

Your opinion dear......I see it differently.......she is saying that our troops are too stupid, and untrained to understand an order...
...

And she is saying the troops are responsible for their own actions. In fact, I don't see any way she is not blaming the troops. She is just blaming the admin even more.

[JohnDoe]

And she is saying the troops are responsible for their own actions. In fact, I don't see any way she is not blaming the troops. She is just blaming the admin even more.

here's what she said abbey and stephanie in full context.....i guess for some REASON it is hard for you to comprehend what she said but it is CLEAR as day to me, and she is not bashing the troops but JUST the OPPOSITE!

Orner said she did not blame low-ranking soldiers for such behaviour.

"Obviously, everyone's responsible for their own actions, but you put people in bad situations who are ill-equipped, not trained, under enormous pressure and getting orders from above to do bad things," she told ABC Radio from Los Angeles today.

"I don't really believe it is terribly much their fault, it comes from much higher sources. The current administration are a bunch of war criminals and they need to be stopped. People need to know what's going on."

now, i agree with stephanie that some actress doesn't know poopie about what is going on militarily, but imo she has every right to say her opinion as you and stephanie have noted your opinions of her and what she said, as have i noted my opinion! all's ok!

free speech is not that complicated to me!

jd

[nevadamedic]

The Australian filmmaker won an Academy Award for best feature documentary as co-producer of Taxi to the Dark Side, a film about the US Government's use of torture in its war against terror.

The documentary features interviews with US soldiers who participated in the torture of suspects in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

Orner said she did not blame low-ranking soldiers for such behaviour.

"Obviously, everyone's responsible for their own actions, but you put people in bad situations who are ill-equipped, not trained, under enormous pressure and getting orders from above to do bad things," she told ABC Radio from Los Angeles today.

"I don't really believe it is terribly much their fault, it comes from much higher sources. The current administration are a bunch of war criminals and they need to be stopped. People need to know what's going on."

Orner said she was surprised such a dark film - directed by Alex Gibney - had won the Oscar.

"This is one of the toughest films I think either of us has made," she said.

"It wasn't a lot of fun."

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...19-952,00.html

This bitch needs to be clipped too.

[stephanie]

here's what she said abbey and Stephanie in full context.....i guess for some REASON it is hard for you to comprehend what she said but it is CLEAR as day to me, and she is not bashing the troops but JUST the OPPOSITE!



now, i agree with Stephanie that some actress doesn't know poopie about what is going on militarily, but IMO she has every right to say her opinion as you and Stephanie have noted your opinions of her and what she said, as have i noted my opinion! all's ok!

free speech is not that complicated to me!

jd

jeesh Jd...I said in my earlier post we will have to agree to disagree...
I just don't appreciate foreign movie actors coming to our homes and insulting us..........Hell I don't like too many of the movie actors and actresses today...I'm just old and grumpy that way...

we be cool...

[Abbey Marie]

No, JD, I am having no comprehension problems. Just what part of "everyone is responsible for their own actions" do you not understand?

Let's break it down:
Film-maker says: Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
Everyone includes the group "soldiers"
Actions= torture, etc.
Torture, etc. = evil, bad
Conclusion: Soldiers = evil, bad.

Perhaps you'd like to explain to us how someone can be responsible for their own condemned actions, yet not to blame for them?

As I said, she is just blaming the admin more, which is the lefty PC thing to do these days. She is not giving the soldiers a pass by any means, and to think she is is naive.