What of the 300+ Mich/Florida delegates?

[retiredman]

Whaddabout the Superdelegates that don't hold elected office, like Bill Clinton?

The Democrat Party looks less like a democracy and more like a monarchy.

what about them? Do you really think that any democrat cares how our primary process appears to you????

[retiredman]

To a candidate that they did not get to choose. It doesn't seem right somehow. Where's the outrage?

one would hope that the outrage is at their state committees for screwing their voters. I don't live in either state. If I did, my state committee chair would be hearing from me and a lot of my peers.

[Immanuel]

I think, for many superdelegates who are elected officials, it becomes a pragmatic problem. If I am a democratic congressman - superdelegate - and my district democrats voted overwhelmingly for Obama, it would be foolish for me to support Clinton and not expect to see some backlash at the next election....

I agree, but are the votes of Super-delegates public record? For instance, would I be able to go online somewhere to find out which candidate Barbara Boxer and Diane Fienstein cast their super-delegate votes for or my own Senators and Congressman for that matter?

Whaddabout the Superdelegates that don't hold elected office, like Bill Clinton?

Hey! Did you hear the latest? Bill has secretly promised his vote would go to Obama. He said that being the first "Black President" he wanted to fully support the second Black President. Go figure.

Immie

PS That last statement is a joke. Don't take me serious on that.

[retiredman]

I agree, but are the votes of Super-delegates public record? For instance, would I be able to go online somewhere to find out which candidate Barbara Boxer and Diane Fienstein cast their super-delegate votes for or my own Senators and Congressman for that matter?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...arency_Project

[PostmodernProphet]

Since Hillary won both states it would no doubt put her over the top.

in Michigan "uncommitted" took nearly as many votes as Hillary and we aren't a winner take all state..... who gets to decide who casts those votes......will authority be given to Obama supporters?.....Hillary supporters?......

[manu1959]

I hope Hillary gets these counted then tops it off with Superdelegates. The atomic implosion of the Democrat Party would be a most festive event.

make the riots in the 60's look like a tea party.....

[glockmail]

what about them? Do you really think that any democrat cares how our primary process appears to you????

What a dumb post. Obviously you have too much time on your hands. Get a job.

[theHawk]

I personally believe that the delegates in florida should not count, due to the fact that this was their choice to break the rules and run an earlier primary.

If I had been Florida, I would not have chosen to void my delegates, but these were the rules upfront and they were made aware of them from what i understand.

This sickens me, because as said, I would have never chosen to void my vote in order to vote earlier? it JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to me how any state would have chosen such because it would have defeated the purpose of wanting an earlier primary, a primary that "counted" in making a decision on who would be the Democratic nominee????

I don't think the regular folks got a chance to make any of these decisions. It was done by the Florida Democratic party leaders. And I don't think they knew the penalty would be so severe. The penalty came after they moved it up right?

REGARDLESS, THE RULES NEED TO BE FOLLOWED AS THEY WERE SET UP BEFORE THE GAME BEGAN.

I am not yelling there, it is just the way it is....fair is fair.

Taking that stance though, to me, means that the Superdelegates who were also set up BEFORE THE GAME BEGAN, as being able to vote for who they want to vote for and support who they believe is the right person for president, should be able to continue to do such WITHOUT the pressure I am seeing from the media and everyone else that they should vote the way the people in their state voted and crap like that, which is also bullshit and changing the rules now....

When the game began, superdelegates could be wooed, IT WAS PART OF THE RULES, however fair or unfair we may think that is....and superdelegates and the politicing with them, and their spoken sponsorships of candidates WAS ALL part of the initial game....

To CHANGE that now and insist that superdelegates vote with the people of their state is a complete turn around from the rules the game set forth with.....

Yes, the rules should be followed. However, Obama broke those rules by campaigning in Florida via televised ads. Thus, technically speaking, I think Hillary should have the power to nullify the agreement completely, and have the delegates counted.

[retiredman]

I don't think the regular folks got a chance to make any of these decisions. It was done by the Florida Democratic party leaders. And I don't think they knew the penalty would be so severe. The penalty came after they moved it up right?


Yes, the rules should be followed. However, Obama broke those rules by campaigning in Florida via televised ads. Thus, technically speaking, I think Hillary should have the power to nullify the agreement completely, and have the delegates counted.

1. They KNEW what the penaty would be if they held their primary early.

2. The "agreement" did not include or involve candidates. It was between the DNC and the Florida Democratic Party. period.

[manu1959]

1. They KNEW what the penaty would be if they held their primary early.

2. The "agreement" did not include or involve candidates. It was between the DNC and the Florida Democratic Party. period.

the voters have bee disenfranchised...their voices should be heard and counted.....they should sue.....

[retiredman]

the voters have bee disenfranchised...their voices should be heard and counted.....they should sue.....

they should fire their party leaders and petition the DNC to let them hold a binding primary in April.

[manu1959]

they should fire their party leaders and petition the DNC to let them hold a binding primary in April.

works for me......

[glockmail]

they should fire their party leaders and petition the DNC to let them hold a binding primary in April.

That would be unfair since they already voted. Also a second vote would be considered cheating, because they could potentially be in the position of the decider, after the fact.

[manu1959]

That would be unfair since they already voted. Also a second vote would be considered cheating, because they could potentially be in the position of the decider, after the fact.

but it will make the convention so much fun to watch.......

[glockmail]

but it will make the convention so much fun to watch.......

I agree. It will make Extreme Fighting look like Romper Room.