Artist hit for refusal on beliefs

[stephanie]

By Pete Vere
February 25, 2008
An evangelical Christian photographer was brought before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission after she declined for religious reasons to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony.

When Elaine Huguenin of Albuquerque, N.M., declined in September 2006 an e-mail request from a lesbian couple to photograph their ceremony, one of the lesbians responded by lodging a human rights complaint with the New Mexico Human Rights Division, the state agency charged with enforcing state anti-discrimination laws and sending cases to the commission to be adjudicated.

Vanessa Willock sought an injunction to prohibit Mrs. Huguenin and her business, Elane Photography, from declining any future request to photograph a same-sex ceremony. The agency agreed to hear Miss Willock's complaint, the latest case brought before tribunals in the U.S. and Canada that free-speech advocates say threaten expression across North America.

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http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...256068479/1015

[Gaffer]

That's outrageous, she has every right to refuse to do the job. I would refuse too. And I'd tell the review board where they can put their recommendations. They don't like how I do business, come and get me. And bring a heavily armed force when you do.

faggots

[actsnoblemartin]

Look at these liberals faggots: they want to force christians and anyone who doesnt agree with them to violate their religious beliefs and personal convictions just to appease them again this is what i mean when i say the cultural left wants to intellectual rape people who dont agree with them

By Pete Vere
February 25, 2008
An evangelical Christian photographer was brought before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission after she declined for religious reasons to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony.

When Elaine Huguenin of Albuquerque, N.M., declined in September 2006 an e-mail request from a lesbian couple to photograph their ceremony, one of the lesbians responded by lodging a human rights complaint with the New Mexico Human Rights Division, the state agency charged with enforcing state anti-discrimination laws and sending cases to the commission to be adjudicated.

Vanessa Willock sought an injunction to prohibit Mrs. Huguenin and her business, Elane Photography, from declining any future request to photograph a same-sex ceremony. The agency agreed to hear Miss Willock's complaint, the latest case brought before tribunals in the U.S. and Canada that free-speech advocates say threaten expression across North America.

read the rest..
http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...256068479/1015

[manu1959]

hey if abu can refuse to sell bacon at his quickie mart or let people in his taxi with booze....then a christian can refuse to take pictures of sin...

[actsnoblemartin]

fine with me.

hey if abu can refuse to sell bacon at his quickie mart or let people in his taxi with booze....then a christian can refuse to take pictures of sin...

[actsnoblemartin]

fine with me.

You dont like how i run my cab, store, or company, get the fuck out and stop whining like a little bitch, cause i didnt kiss your carpet munching ass

hey if abu can refuse to sell bacon at his quickie mart or let people in his taxi with booze....then a christian can refuse to take pictures of sin...

[diuretic]

I think scalps can go back where they belong - it hasn't been decided yet has it?

[avatar4321]

I think scalps can go back where they belong - it hasn't been decided yet has it?

it shouldn't have to be. A person should be allowed to turn down business if they don't want it.

[DragonStryk72]

By Pete Vere
February 25, 2008
An evangelical Christian photographer was brought before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission after she declined for religious reasons to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony.

When Elaine Huguenin of Albuquerque, N.M., declined in September 2006 an e-mail request from a lesbian couple to photograph their ceremony, one of the lesbians responded by lodging a human rights complaint with the New Mexico Human Rights Division, the state agency charged with enforcing state anti-discrimination laws and sending cases to the commission to be adjudicated.

Vanessa Willock sought an injunction to prohibit Mrs. Huguenin and her business, Elane Photography, from declining any future request to photograph a same-sex ceremony. The agency agreed to hear Miss Willock's complaint, the latest case brought before tribunals in the U.S. and Canada that free-speech advocates say threaten expression across North America.

read the rest..
http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...256068479/1015

Okay, my view on gay marriage basically breaks down to somewhat of a joke: If you don't like, don't marry them.

However, that said, it is completely wrong to get the government involved in this. These people haven't disparaged them, they haven't tried to get the union stopped, they simply declined to be there for it, and that's fine in my book. There is no reason that it should involve anything more than the offended couple going to their friends and telling them about the business. An effective boycott would work so much better than this crap.

[diuretic]

it shouldn't have to be. A person should be allowed to turn down business if they don't want it.

That's fine as a normative statement. But since this case is before some sort of tribunal and it will be decided with reference to the law as it exists then the law will take its course. That was my point.

I agree a larger point is whether or not someone who offers goods and/or services to the general public should be permitted to refuse to supply goods and/or service to individuals based on a personal belief system. I understand the competing ideas contained in that situation and frankly I'm in two minds about it. I'd be interested to read the arguments.

[avatar4321]

That's fine as a normative statement. But since this case is before some sort of tribunal and it will be decided with reference to the law as it exists then the law will take its course. That was my point.

I agree a larger point is whether or not someone who offers goods and/or services to the general public should be permitted to refuse to supply goods and/or service to individuals based on a personal belief system. I understand the competing ideas contained in that situation and frankly I'm in two minds about it. I'd be interested to read the arguments.

and my point, and the point of others, is it is completely ridiculous to bring it before a tribunal. People have the freedom to not associate or do business with others if they so choose. And forcing them to is paramount to slavery.

This is also a clear illustration of why gay marriage, or even civil unions, should not be sanctioned. Because the purpose of sanctioning them isn't to be together. It's to have some basis of law to persecute those who don't agree with them. Mark my words, if gay marriage is ever passed, you will see every person who dares speak out against it persecuted.

[stephanie]

When our country has "tribunals" set up for speech, discrimination, hanging a friggin noose, or any other bullshit someone wants to accuse you of.....and halled before some kangaroo court for no justification...

Then we might as well be living like some countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc....Because we have totally given up our rights willingly and have become slaves to the state...

And from where I sit.....that looks exactly where we are headed...

Very sad....

[diuretic]

and my point, and the point of others, is it is completely ridiculous to bring it before a tribunal. People have the freedom to not associate or do business with others if they so choose. And forcing them to is paramount to slavery.

This is also a clear illustration of why gay marriage, or even civil unions, should not be sanctioned. Because the purpose of sanctioning them isn't to be together. It's to have some basis of law to persecute those who don't agree with them. Mark my words, if gay marriage is ever passed, you will see every person who dares speak out against it persecuted.

The problem with your point is that it's entirely possible that someone could be refused all goods and all services if that person happened to live in a community where all the goods and service providers disagreed with who/what they were. Would that be fair?

[diuretic]

When our country has "tribunals" set up for speech, discrimination, hanging a friggin noose, or any other bullshit someone wants to accuse you of.....and halled before some kangaroo court for no justification...

Then we might as well be living like some countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc....Because we have totally given up our rights willingly and have become slaves to the state...

And from where I sit.....that looks exactly where we are headed...

Very sad....

The tribunals at Guantanamo stephanie.

Welcome to your nightmare.

[stephanie]

The tribunals at Guantanamo Stephanie.

Welcome to your nightmare.

My dear........you know we are not talking about the military here...

and why you would want to interject this into this thread is beyond me...

You all have a military that fights right along our side, so I don't see your point, and am dissapointed...