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    Default Record-high ratio of Americans in prison

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/...6Jmzn_AxtvzwcF

    NEW YORK - For the first time in U.S. history, more than one of every 100 adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report documenting America's rank as the world's No. 1 incarcerator. It urges states to curtail corrections spending by placing fewer low-risk offenders behind bars.

    Using state-by-state data, the report says 2,319,258 Americans were in jail or prison at the start of 2008 — one out of every 99.1 adults. Whether per capita or in raw numbers, it's more than any other nation.

    The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.


    The report cited Kansas and Texas as states that have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. They are making greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than reimprisonment for offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules.

    "The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens," the report said.

    While many state governments have shown bipartisan interest in curbing prison growth, there also are persistent calls to proceed cautiously.

    "We need to be smarter," said David Muhlhausen, a criminal justice expert with the conservative Heritage Foundation. "We're not incarcerating all the people who commit serious crimes. But we're also probably incarcerating people who don't need to be."

    According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system.

    The largest percentage increase — 12 percent — was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3 percent in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600 percent.

    The report was compiled by the Pew Center's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety.

    "Getting tough on criminals has gotten tough on taxpayers," said the project's director, Adam Gelb.

    According to the report, the average annual cost per prisoner was $23,876, with Rhode Island spending the most ($44,860) and Louisiana the least ($13,009). It said California — which faces a $16 billion budget shortfall — spent $8.8 billion on corrections last year, while Texas, which has slightly more inmates, was a distant second with spending of $3.3 billion.

    On average, states spend 6.8 percent of their general fund dollars on corrections, the report said. Oregon had the highest spending rate, at 10.9 percent; Alabama the lowest at 2.6 percent.

    Four states — Vermont, Michigan, Oregon and Connecticut — now spend more on corrections than they do on higher education, the report said.

    "These sad facts reflect a very distorted set of national priorities," said Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont, referring to the full report. "Perhaps, if we adequately invested in our children and in education, kids who now grow up to be criminals could become productive workers and taxpayers."

    The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect an increase in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as "three-strikes" laws, that result in longer prison stays.

    "For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling," the report said. "While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine."

    The racial disparity for women also is stark. One of every 355 white women aged 35 to 39 is behind bars, compared with one of every 100 black women in that age group.

    The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails. That's out of almost 230 million American adults.

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    Free people desire an expected norm where crime is not the norm... this requires that those who live outside of the norm should be incarcerated.

    Perhaps corrections institutions should be less welcoming to those who insist on being outside of the norm... perhaps these facilities should be punishment verses "corrections institutions"... We fix broken cars... broken TV's and electronics go in the garbage and we buy new ones. We do not need to "fix" broken citizens. Broken citizens need to be broken like a cowboy breaks a wild horse so they may live within the norm.
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    i would like to know if some of these number are due to illegal aliens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeybone View Post
    i would like to know if some of these number are due to illegal aliens.
    According to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, in 2005, 25% of prisoners in federal prisons were illegal aliens, and 4% were legal aliens. This proportion has not gone down; if anything, it has gone up markedly. Bill O'Reilly is on record more recently stating that illegal aliens account for 32% of the federal and state prison population.

    According to the well-respected U.S. Center for Immigration Studies (www.cis.org), incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29 percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. This number doubles when the costs for apprehension, the justice system, public defenders, interpreters, prosecutors and the courts add to the total.
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    One in every 100 American adults is in prison. One in every 36 Hispanic Americans is in prison. One in every 15 Black Americans is in prison. All according to the Today Show of course The majority is made up of minority members (Blacks, Hispanics, etc.) who also happen to make up the majority of the poor class.

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    Obviously, we do need a better system for it. I mean, like the prisons themselves were saying, there are a number of people in prison who really don't need to be, and that definitely needs to be looked at. We can't pay for housing for 3 million people, it's just asking too much, and boils down, again, to the government doing too much.

    We do need a way to both keep these people productive, and off the public's dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    One in every 100 American adults is in prison. One in every 36 Hispanic Americans is in prison. One in every 15 Black Americans is in prison. All according to the Today Show of course The majority is made up of minority members (Blacks, Hispanics, etc.) who also happen to make up the majority of the poor class.
    we should just send them all to Canada.
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    Let's all support "amnesty" for the illegals and watch the prisons become more populated than our neighborhoods!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Let's all support "amnesty" for the illegals and watch the prisons become more populated than our neighborhoods!
    Wow, very nice. I guess it's not possible that the majority of illegal aliens come here to work legitimate jobs and not to commit crimes. No way Jose! It would downright rational to say something like that!

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    It is a FACT that crime goes down when the poor have jobs.

    It is a FACT that crime goes down when you have effective schools.


    just something to ponder.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    It is a FACT that crime goes down when the poor have jobs.

    It is a FACT that crime goes down when you have effective schools.


    just something to ponder.....
    What's to ponder? If people have jobs they have something to do and money in their pocket. Less time and no need to commit crimes.

    Education leads to higher skilled laborers and better decision makers. No duh. You'd think the guys in Washington holding down the ivory towers would've figured this out by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    It is a FACT that crime goes down when the poor have jobs.

    It is a FACT that crime goes down when you have effective schools.


    just something to ponder.....
    the school part just caught my eye. because i am a firm believer that our schools have slacked off way to much. instead of making a kid feel bad and maybe repeating a grade, they just kinda shuffle him through. and even not failing ones. they make the grade scale so easy that you don't even have to try to get a passing grade. they instill almost no work ethic and then everyone is surpirsed when they get to college and the grades just aren't handed to them.

    that was my rant. all done for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    What's to ponder? If people have jobs they have something to do and money in their pocket. Less time and no need to commit crimes.

    Education leads to higher skilled laborers and better decision makers. No duh. You'd think the guys in Washington holding down the ivory towers would've figured this out by now.
    yah, but like the drug dealers and robbers, etc. easy money. why work hard? just don't get cuaght and you're fine. and i am just not saying that is all of the poor ppl. well off (whatever) background ppl slip into the 'easiest path' routine just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeybone View Post
    yah, but like the drug dealers and robbers, etc. easy money. why work hard? just don't get cuaght and you're fine. and i am just not saying that is all of the poor ppl. well off (whatever) background ppl slip into the 'easiest path' routine just the same.
    Robbing is an easy way out, but drug dealers (the successful ones) are usually good businessmen. Poor minorities don't get a lot of chances to go to good universities and get high-paying jobs. Since the drug market thrives in poor communities, the smart ones and the ones who have business sense just take advantage of the opportunities that are around them. I mean what would you do? Take a job as a fry cook at McDonalds working for minimum wage? Or would you sell cocaine or cannibis and make $20,000 to $30,000 a year? It's like the saying goes "You've either got a wicked jump shot or you're slingin' crack rock."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Wow, very nice. I guess it's not possible that the majority of illegal aliens come here to work legitimate jobs and not to commit crimes. No way Jose! It would downright rational to say something like that!
    The very act of entering the U.S. without the proper authorization establishes them as criminals. The very first act performed by illegal aliens is to break our laws, thus the moniker "illegal" aliens. They may very well be able to work legitimate jobs once they get here, but that does not negate the fact that they are illegally in the country and in violation of the law. That makes the criminals from the word "go."
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