CA rejects right to homeschool

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

This is disturbing to me.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MNJDVF0F1.DTL

"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. "Parents have a legal duty to see to their children's schooling under the provisions of these laws."

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.

"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.

I wonder if the Nazi's had a similar slogan.....or perhaps a madrasa......

I have mistakenly thought that the public school system was to educate and prepare youngsters for life as adults.....

[Gaffer]

Only a liberal judge would think that loyalty to the state is more important than the education of the child.

[remie]

Yeah, sounds like the teachers union is happy though. Wouldnt want to piss them off. Wow....just wow.

[Mr. P]

Holy Cow! I just said a week ago public education has become no more than government indoctrination and now a JUDGE provides the evidence.

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

Forget secession....how do we boot CA from the US, formally....we should revoke their statehood.....

[BoogyMan]

Forget secession....how do we boot CA from the US, formally....we should revoke their statehood.....

Excellent idea Gadget!

[manu1959]

Forget secession....how do we boot CA from the US, formally....we should revoke their statehood.....

works for me....at least my federal taxes will stay in california....

[Immanuel]

Forget secession....how do we boot CA from the US, formally....we should revoke their statehood.....

Excuse me... but that is my native state and although, I may not agree with its politics or currently live there, I'll be darned if I will allow such a beautiful state to be booted from the union.

Heck just because we don't agree, doesn't mean we can't get along. Besides some day the pendulum will swing and California will be the conservative red state and Texas will be Blue as liberal can be. Should we boot Texas out then?

Okay... California Red, Texas Blue... that's stretching it just a bit... but heck, I'm not giving up my citizenship just because the red staters don't like California.

Immie

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

Excuse me... but that is my native state and although, I may not agree with its politics or currently live there, I'll be darned if I will allow such a beautiful state to be booted from the union.

Heck just because we don't agree, doesn't mean we can't get along. Besides some day the pendulum will swing and California will be the conservative red state and Texas will be Blue as liberal can be. Should we boot Texas out then?

Okay... California Red, Texas Blue... that's stretching it just a bit... but heck, I'm not giving up my citizenship just because the red staters don't like California.

Immie

I have spent a great amount of time in CA, and would not think it too much of an inconvenience to have to show my US Passport to go visit there....and I will....I just think that they are getting out of touch with reality.

To bring this back on topic (just a bit)....don't you think that using laws that were passed in the 50's and 60's with regard to homeschooling is a bit assinine? Sure....homeschooling couldn't be done then, as most stay at home mom's did not have advanced education (for the most part). It was a different time, then.

Now, there is a greater chance of the stay at home parent to have a degree of some sort, and actually instill values that mean something, rather than the state run institutions that think allegiance to the state, patriotism and whatever other socialist BS was quoted from above....is the most important aspect of a child's education....

F 'em.....I will get my passport ready....and NY is next, I am sure!

[JohnDoe]

I have spent a great amount of time in CA, and would not think it too much of an inconvenience to have to show my US Passport to go visit there....and I will....I just think that they are getting out of touch with reality.

To bring this back on topic (just a bit)....don't you think that using laws that were passed in the 50's and 60's with regard to homeschooling is a bit assinine? Sure....homeschooling couldn't be done then, as most stay at home mom's did not have advanced education (for the most part). It was a different time, then.

Now, there is a greater chance of the stay at home parent to have a degree of some sort, and actually instill values that mean something, rather than the state run institutions that think allegiance to the state, patriotism and whatever other socialist BS was quoted from above....is the most important aspect of a child's education....

F 'em.....I will get my passport ready....and NY is next, I am sure!

Using your example Gadget, I think it would be more beneficial for parents like the mom that is homeschooling her kid in your example, to be involved in the Public School system with the same effort that she was giving to her own child when schooled at home, and the country, including her children, will be much better off..... in the long run.

Instead of running away from a faulty system, attacking it....head first, with involvement.

My ownly nieces are home schooled, by two college grad parents, mostly by their mother, but the last few years the mother went back to Nursing and the Father lost his job so he is now the home school teacher.... and they are absolutely doing great! Not only in their academic abilities but also in their social lives....they participate in many groups that involve other children and really have alot of other kids as friends....

HOWEVER, I truely believe that if all the parents that had the time to home school actually got involved in the education system for the Public, our school systems and all of us, would be better off in the long run.

ALSO, this does not mean that I would outlaw homeschooling, I view this as a choice we all should have to make.

jd

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

Using your example Gadget, I think it would be more beneficial for parents like the mom that is homeschooling her kid in your example, to be involved in the Public School system with the same effort that she was giving to her own child when schooled at home, and the country, including her children, will be much better off..... in the long run.

Instead of running away from a faulty system, attacking it....head first, with involvement.

My ownly nieces are home schooled, by two college grad parents, mostly by their mother, but the last few years the mother went back to Nursing and the Father lost his job so he is now the home school teacher.... and they are absolutely doing great! Not only in their academic abilities but also in their social lives....they participate in many groups that involve other children and really have alot of other kids as friends....

HOWEVER, I truely believe that if all the parents that had the time to home school actually got involved in the education system for the Public, our school systems and all of us, would be better off in the long run.

ALSO, this does not mean that I would outlaw homeschooling, I view this as a choice we all should have to make.

jd

Have you encourage the parents of your nieces to get involved with the public education system, or is this an instance of do what I say, but not what is REAL.....

I don't disagree, but if you are saying parents should get involved, and you are not actively encouraging it, then it is a moot point.....

[Gaffer]

Home schooling now days is done mostly on computers. The parents just need to be involved in the sense they make sure the kid is spending the time and doing the work necessary. The school here even supplies the computer. Home schooled kids can get involved in sports and after school programs the same as others do. The main difference is the child can go at their own pace. Smart ones move ahead faster while slow ones move at their own pace.

[Mr. P]

Using your example Gadget, I think it would be more beneficial for parents like the mom that is homeschooling her kid in your example, to be involved in the Public School system with the same effort that she was giving to her own child when schooled at home, and the country, including her children, will be much better off..... in the long run.

Instead of running away from a faulty system, attacking it....head first, with involvement.

My ownly nieces are home schooled, by two college grad parents, mostly by their mother, but the last few years the mother went back to Nursing and the Father lost his job so he is now the home school teacher.... and they are absolutely doing great! Not only in their academic abilities but also in their social lives....they participate in many groups that involve other children and really have alot of other kids as friends....

HOWEVER, I truely believe that if all the parents that had the time to home school actually got involved in the education system for the Public, our school systems and all of us, would be better off in the long run.

ALSO, this does not mean that I would outlaw homeschooling, I view this as a choice we all should have to make.

jd

Sounds good, JD, and it works until the administration makes bone-head decisions.

It happened here when my daughter was in school. We had an excellent system. Most schools had near 100% parent PTA/PTO involvement. Then the school board decided they needed to rezone for "socio economic diversity".
The public were outraged! We presented facts, study after study that showed this failed everywhere it had been tried, but it was done anyway.

All but one board member was voted out at the next election. Problem was the damage had already been done. The rezoning failed miserably, as expected, it did nothing but import problems into good schools. One after another people left the system and went private or to a system that they could effectively participate in. This system went to hell and remains sub-standard now more than 12 years later.

[Mr. P]

Home schooling now days is done mostly on computers. The parents just need to be involved in the sense they make sure the kid is spending the time and doing the work necessary. The school here even supplies the computer. Home schooled kids can get involved in sports and after school programs the same as others do. The main difference is the child can go at their own pace. Smart ones move ahead faster while slow ones move at their own pace.

And there are structured programs these days..Home schooled kids kick-ass in National competitions too!

[JohnDoe]

Have you encourage the parents of your nieces to get involved with the public education system, or is this an instance of do what I say, but not what is REAL.....

I don't disagree, but if you are saying parents should get involved, and you are not actively encouraging it, then it is a moot point.....

Yes, I have spoken to my brother and sister in law many. many times on this...

and i was not saying for these parents to home school AND get involved in the public school system, but to forfeit the home schooling time and spending that time being involved with the school system with their own children in the school system.

But, as Mr. P pointed out after my OPINION and THOUGHTS on this that he lived in an area where the parents were involved but the admin still got its way....

My husband and I are unable to have children, what I have at stake is an educated community that could benefit all of us Americans with a result of less crime from it.

the last 9 years we paid nearing $4k a year in property taxes torwards the education of the kids of others, and the last year and all years forward with increases expected, $2k a year towards the education of others where we live now....in property taxes, there are no other amenities in my rural town....we do have a part time Constable (like a sheriff), that hauls gravel from the pits in the area for his full time job and a one manned post office... but that is federal i believe? Volunteer fire dept...no town water, no town sewar....

So, even though I may have no children in the school system, there is alot at stake for us, both financially in the taxes we pay and in bringing good paying jobs to the community, and for our better welfare with less crime coming with an educated/ working... community.

jd