'Islamophobia' a threat to world security, say Muslim states

[Kathianne]

I thought this stuff was going to cage and cage alone?

[OCA]

I thought this stuff was going to cage and cage alone?

So did I, I see your problem but i'm trying to help you out here, you really need to take this up with Marty, you see I ask him to back his stuff up, provide his favorite quotes out of the Koran and when he can't he starts in whining about faults and why I can't admit mine etc. etc.

Its all very bizarre even for Marty.

Really i'm trying to stay on topic up here.

[OCA]

its sad you have to intellectually dishonest.

the aparteid was about: we dont like blacks, lets keep them away from us.

Israel's security wall is about: we dont want to get blown up, shot at, or murdered.

Its really sad, if we cant even have an honest conversation.

Its really quite childish and immature of you too call me raymond, am i a saint no, i take responsibiliy for my actions, how about you do the same for yours

Kath here is where the whining started, it just got worse from there.

[Yurt]

Funny, i've never run across a Muslim that espoused that. Inly the few nutbags you see on T.V. every night, the same T.V. that ignores the moderate or even liberal Muslim.

are you familiar with islamic history....how it came to advent, spread after that? how islam's profit massacred numerous jews, broke treaties, and how he was known as a caravan raider....

[Yurt]

do you have a link that would support that? I think that the writings of Qutb and other islamists talk about a caliphate only in terms of regaining the territory that marked the furthest spread of Islam. I know of no credible Islamic theorist who has ever suggested that the new caliphate would be worldwide.

I'll wait.

research "Mahdi"

al-Mahdi is "the rightly-guided one" who, according to Islamic Hadiths (traditions), will come before the end of time to make the entire world Muslim. Over the last 1400 years numerous claimants to the mantle of the Mahdi have arisen in both Shi`i and Sunni circles. Modern belief in the coming of the Mahdi has manifested most famously in the 1979 al-`Utaybi uprising of Sa`udi Arabia, and most recently in the ongoing Mahdist movements (some violent) in Iraq, as well as in the frequently-expressed public prayers of Iranian President Ahmadinezhad bidding the Mahdi to return and, in the larger Sunni Islamic world, by claims that Usamah bin Ladin might be the Mahdi. This site will track such Mahdi-related movements, aspirations, propaganda and beliefs in both Sunni and Shi`i milieus, as well as other Muslim eschatological yearnings.

http://www.mahdiwatch.org/

[OCA]

are you familiar with islamic history....how it came to advent, spread after that? how islam's profit massacred numerous jews, broke treaties, and how he was known as a caravan raider....

The same could be said, maybe not about God or Jesus but many Christian leaders during the Crusades who claimed to be acting upon the word of God.

Numerous atrocities have been committed by all religions at one time or another.

[Yurt]

The same could be said, maybe not about God or Jesus but many Christian leaders during the Crusades who claimed to be acting upon the word of God.

Numerous atrocities have been committed by all religions at one time or another.

if one looks at the advent of christianity, the very beginning and compares that with the advent of islam, you cannot objectively compare the first, second, or third centuries. the crusades came close to a 1000 years after the advent of christianity.

i took a poll in a muslim forum last year: my poll was, "Islam's goal is to have the world under the control of Islam"

View Poll Results: Islam's goal is to have the _______ world under Islam
Entire 134 81.71%
Majority 2 1.22%
Just the current "islamic part" 9 5.49%
None, for the people to decide 19 11.59%

Voters: 164. You have already voted on this poll

[Gaffer]

The same could be said, maybe not about God or Jesus but many Christian leaders during the Crusades who claimed to be acting upon the word of God.

Numerous atrocities have been committed by all religions at one time or another.

But they haven't been carried on into the 21st century. Don't pull an mfm here and redirect the discussion.

[Dilloduck]

if one looks at the advent of christianity, the very beginning and compares that with the advent of islam, you cannot objectively compare the first, second, or third centuries. the crusades came close to a 1000 years after the advent of christianity.

i took a poll in a muslim forum last year: my poll was, "Islam's goal is to have the world under the control of Islam"

View Poll Results: Islam's goal is to have the _______ world under Islam
Entire 134 81.71%
Majority 2 1.22%
Just the current "islamic part" 9 5.49%
None, for the people to decide 19 11.59%

Voters: 164. You have already voted on this poll

I believe that to be the same goal that Christians have.

[Yurt]

here is a very watered down comparison, if you read the history, the profit went to war almost immediately. he ran at first, but as soon as his following increased, he attacked and never stopped.

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~andrew/w...e_timeline.htm

[Yurt]

I believe that to be the same goal that Christians have.

i believe revelation tells a different story, there will only be 144,000 left

[Gaffer]

I believe that to be the same goal that Christians have.

Would you clarify that for me. what goal do christians have?

[Yurt]

Would you clarify that for me. what goal do christians have?

actually, thank you, i neglected to ask that

[Dilloduck]

Would you clarify that for me. what goal do christians have?

to bring the message of Christ to 100% of the world.

[retiredman]

here is a very watered down comparison, if you read the history, the profit went to war almost immediately. he ran at first, but as soon as his following increased, he attacked and never stopped.

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~andrew/w...e_timeline.htm

so he waited for his "profit margin"?