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    Again, I could be off topic, but this particular thread is what jarred my memory on this gay issue....

    And please don't shoot the messenger for bringing this up....I was just putting two and two together....

    I saw a program not long ago on certain fish in a colorado river that were turning from the male gender to the female gender due to the high amounts of estrogen(female hormone) going in to the rivers from waste water...basically from all the women on birth control pills tinkling out excess estrogen that ended up in their rivers...

    Then yesterday or the day before an article came out on Drugs in our tap water....estrogen being one with higher amounts in the water....

    Added to the comments from a friend of mine who is gay and has always insisted that he was born this way, that it was not a choice....as a young child he was attracted to little boys and not little girls.....

    Then look at the concentration of Gay men in our cities verses the suberbs....

    and note that cities would have public water verses the people in the country with well water....

    Is it possible, that the estrogen in our public water system is making more men gay?

    Is it possible that they are born that way? Not that God made them that way, because as a religious person I do not believe such....but that there is a possibility that they are born that way because of the excess estrogen that they may have gotten in their public water use?

    I apologize again if this is too off topic of the subject in the thread and if moderators want to move this post to another thread, that is fine also...

    jd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Well, it's not pushing a gay "agenda." The main character of the book just happens to be gay. I think the existence of gay people is the real "issue" here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Maybe the book itself isn't pushing the homo agenda, but school officials making it mandatory to read it jamming it down school kids throats IS.
    I'm afraid Pale may be right here H.C.

    Schools are ramming down America's throat the slogan, "It's okay to be gay". I do not believe this to be appropriate. I believe I have taught my kids to be accepting of people who are gay or of a different color or what have you and I pray they have learned that message. But, I do not want the school to teach their brand of tolerance... ie false tolerance.

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    we ought not to put blinders on our children when it comes to experiencing good literature and good art. If the only books we let them read were about "approved" topics and had "approved" themes, they would miss out on a lot of good art and literature. Angels in America was good literature and the HBO dramatization was good art. Pacino's portrayal of Ray Cohn was inspired and was a benchmark in portrayals of self-loathing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    we ought not to put blinders on our children when it comes to experiencing good literature and good art. If the only books we let them read were about "approved" topics and had "approved" themes, they would miss out on a lot of good art and literature. Angels in America was good literature and the HBO dramatization was good art. Pacino's portrayal of Ray Cohn was inspired and was a benchmark in portrayals of self-loathing.
    so you approve of forcing children to read parts of the bible? say the parts about God's view on homosexual acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    so you approve of forcing children to read parts of the bible? say the parts about God's view on homosexual acts.
    I actually do not approve of FORCING children to do stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    we ought not to put blinders on our children when it comes to experiencing good literature and good art. If the only books we let them read were about "approved" topics and had "approved" themes, they would miss out on a lot of good art and literature. Angels in America was good literature and the HBO dramatization was good art. Pacino's portrayal of Ray Cohn was inspired and was a benchmark in portrayals of self-loathing.
    Like I said, I have no problem making the book available to students. I do have a problem requiring it as reading because then it looks too much like indoctrination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    we ought not to put blinders on our children when it comes to experiencing good literature and good art. If the only books we let them read were about "approved" topics and had "approved" themes, they would miss out on a lot of good art and literature. Angels in America was good literature and the HBO dramatization was good art. Pacino's portrayal of Ray Cohn was inspired and was a benchmark in portrayals of self-loathing.
    I think kids should also be taught to recognize sexual perversion when they see it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I think kids should also be taught to recognize sexual perversion when they see it too.
    I think so too but I don't agree with making SUCH a big deal out of it. This really isn't a big deal. Reading a book in Lit class that has gay characters in it isn't going to turn kids gay. If by making their way of life more widespread they become able to live their lives in the open the way they see fit without having people treat them poorly because of it then more power to them. I just don't see this as "indoctrination."

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    I think kids should be given a choice, they shouldnt be forced to read muslim or gay propaganda,

    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I think kids should also be taught to recognize sexual perversion when they see it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    I think kids should be given a choice, they shouldnt be forced to read muslim or gay propaganda,
    I don't think anything about homos should in a school period, except maybe to tell the kids that it's a perverse mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
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    The story of an Illinois high school making a gay pornographic play required reading for seniors has been reported since March 7th, but it has been ignored for the most part with only a handful of news outlets having taken on this issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    we ought not to put blinders on our children when it comes to experiencing good literature and good art. If the only books we let them read were about "approved" topics and had "approved" themes, they would miss out on a lot of good art and literature. Angels in America was good literature and the HBO dramatization was good art. Pacino's portrayal of Ray Cohn was inspired and was a benchmark in portrayals of self-loathing.
    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I actually do not approve of FORCING children to do stuff.
    then apparently i misinterpreted your first post. i thought you were supporting the required reading of the book. so, let me clarify, do you support the required reading of this book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I don't think anything about homos should in a school period, except maybe to tell the kids that it's a perverse mental illness.
    wouldn't that be pushing your agenda down someone's throat?

    since we currently live in a supposed secular society, seems fair to me that if they are going to mention homosexuality as something actually out there, say social studies, then they also need to inform the students that many belief systems, religious or not, think that homosexuality is a non productive lifestyle, e.g., no reproduction, and then explain to them exactly what anal intercourse involves. scientifically. explain what the anus actual does, i think alot of gay guys think the anus is just like a vagina....

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    Nobody thinks an ass is a vagina. Most gay males don't like the female body, is all. Me, ain't no guy/girl going anywhere near my ass with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    wouldn't that be pushing your agenda down someone's throat?
    Pun intended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    Pun intended?
    the pun only works the if you play on that side of the field

    and since we don't, it only works on gay cheese

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