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    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war... I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half....from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage, to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize, workplace safety, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.

    What are YOU proud of, RSR?

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    The OP seems to completely ignore the fact that all three candidates talk constantly about the good AND the bad in America. Instead, he focuses on only the bad things mentioned by the Democrat candidates. Hmmm.
    Would you rather prez candidates ignore the bad parts of American life or are you naive enough to believe that there are no bad parts of American life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war... I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half....from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage, to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize, workplace safety, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.
    Not much to rebut there --- good choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war... I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half....from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage, to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize, workplace safety, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.

    What are YOU proud of, RSR?
    so much socialism there....and i don't believe that all the progress you mention was by liberals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    so much socialism there....and i don't believe that all the progress you mention was by liberals...
    They may not have all been by democrats, but they certainly all were advances for progressive liberalism.

    hmmm and I don't see one single program mentioned where the means of production are owned by the government. For you bozos on the right, the word "socialism" has completely lost its intended meaning and now is nothing more than an epithet.

    fyi....

    so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] –noun
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    They may not have all been by democrats, but they certainly all were advances for progressive liberalism.

    hmmm and I don't see one single program mentioned where the means of production are owned by the government. For you bozos on the right, the word "socialism" has completely lost its intended meaning and now is nothing more than an epithet.

    fyi....

    so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] –noun
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    i know what it means and it is exactly what you are advocating... minimum wage....taking property of the owner and putting in the hands of the community/worker....

    you tried to pass those things off as democratic liberal ideas, at least you admit they are not. they also are not simply all progressive liberalism, such a thing has no basis in fact and is only theory, the very fact that such things were accomplished by conservatives belies this theory...its intended affect is to route all positive change/success to liberals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    i know what it means and it is exactly what you are advocating... minimum wage....taking property of the owner and putting in the hands of the community/worker....

    you tried to pass those things off as democratic liberal ideas, at least you admit they are not. they also are not simply all progressive liberalism, such a thing has no basis in fact and is only theory, the very fact that such things were accomplished by conservatives belies this theory...its intended affect is to route all positive change/success to liberals
    which item on my list do you think was spearheaded by conservatives?

    and income redistribution is NOT socialism, no matter how hard you want to make it so. sorry.

    and I didn't ADMIT shit. I NEVER claimed any of those things to be democratic ideas...read the fucking title of the fucking thread you little twit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    which item on my list do you think was spearheaded by conservatives?

    and income redistribution is NOT socialism, no matter how hard you want to make it so. sorry.

    and I didn't ADMIT shit. I NEVER claimed any of those things to be democratic ideas...read the fucking title of the fucking thread you little twit.


    and distribution of wealth is socialism:

    Socialism refers to group of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state.

    wiki it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    and distribution of wealth is socialism:

    Socialism refers to group of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.

    wiki it
    learn how to read.

    a cheese sandwich is not a ham and cheese sandwich.

    and how are you coming on that list of the items that I mentioned that were spearheaded by conservatives?

    not too good, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war...?
    the one liberals opposed and Reagan stood firm to let us win.

    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half.?
    Yea, build up strength from conservative values, then insist on changing it to socialism
    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    ...from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage,?
    conservatives did that
    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize,?
    conservatives again

    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    workplace safety, environmental protection,?
    passed by NIXON, OSHA, EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid,?
    all disasters
    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.

    What are YOU proud of, RSR?

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    Mr. Mail order! LOL

    you are on drugs if you think that "conservatives" ended slavery and passed women's suffrage.... and you really do need to understand the difference between the words "conservative" and "republican". Nixon was the latter, NOT the former.

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