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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I said anything about anyone manipulating prices or profits. And in answer to your last question, I would have to say: apparently you, if you agree with RSR that "Our oil companies find, drill, pump, ship, refine the oil, and then deliver gas to your local station. All for a profit of 10 cents off the sale of a gallon of gas"
    Clearly you can investigate profits by looking at public trading. My calculator nor brain is capable of calculating the exact amount of profit the oil companies make on a gallon of gas. We use trillions of gallons of gas and other fuels and plastics and other byproducts of petroleum but the profit must be considerably different from domestic produced and imported crude oil?

    I can find the profit margin by googling it but it is considerably lower than other commodities.

    There is no way for the government to capture the profits on oil as additional taxes without having the oil industry passing the costs of business on to the customer. The Democratic Party's plan to tax or remove subsidies from the industry as punishment will only punish the consumer.

    If the oil companies are paying all taxes required then leave them alone and stop bitching.

    What do you want from the oil companies? They are in business to make profits and if you take half of them the cost of their product will go up the same way if you would tax half of milk or flour profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Classact View Post
    Clearly you can investigate profits by looking at public trading. My calculator nor brain is capable of calculating the exact amount of profit the oil companies make on a gallon of gas. We use trillions of gallons of gas and other fuels and plastics and other byproducts of petroleum but the profit must be considerably different from domestic produced and imported crude oil?

    I can find the profit margin by googling it but it is considerably lower than other commodities.

    There is no way for the government to capture the profits on oil as additional taxes without having the oil industry passing the costs of business on to the customer. The Democratic Party's plan to tax or remove subsidies from the industry as punishment will only punish the consumer.

    If the oil companies are paying all taxes required then leave them alone and stop bitching.

    What do you want from the oil companies? They are in business to make profits and if you take half of them the cost of their product will go up the same way if you would tax half of milk or flour profits.

    and if they maintain their same desired profit margin, and the cost of oil goes up, so do their profits. correct? so... given our addiction to oil, the oil companies do not see and elasticity in demand that would cause them to really give a shit about how much oil costs...as far as they are concerned, higher oil prices mean higher profits. Far from being the saviors and supporters of our economy, as RSR portrays them, they are really much more akin to our drug dealers, and with just as much integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    and if they maintain their same desired profit margin, and the cost of oil goes up, so do their profits. correct? so... given our addiction to oil, the oil companies do not see and elasticity in demand that would cause them to really give a shit about how much oil costs...as far as they are concerned, higher oil prices mean higher profits. Far from being the saviors and supporters of our economy, as RSR portrays them, they are really much more akin to our drug dealers, and with just as much integrity.
    Domestic oil is a very small part of our daily demand. World oil prices are not based on US oil companies prices but world demand. If the price is too high then people cut back or look for more efficiency. The Democrats love to keep prices high because the envirowackos encourage it to support alternatives. Recently a Democrat wanted to add a $0.50 tax to support alternative energy development. The market will correct itself, if a head of lettuce costs $15 you buy cabbage or just walk by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    and if they maintain their same desired profit margin, and the cost of oil goes up, so do their profits. correct? so... given our addiction to oil, the oil companies do not see and elasticity in demand that would cause them to really give a shit about how much oil costs...as far as they are concerned, higher oil prices mean higher profits. Far from being the saviors and supporters of our economy, as RSR portrays them, they are really much more akin to our drug dealers, and with just as much integrity.
    So punish the oil dealers. How does that help my pocketbook or America's pocketbook ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    So punish the oil dealers. How does that help my pocketbook or America's pocketbook ?

    you miss the point and the connection between oil, oil companies, and our foreign policy.

    and I would much prefer we talk about the topic of this thread.... maybe try to rebut my post #10...than diverging into a discussion about oil company profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war... I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half....from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage, to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize, workplace safety, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.
    Not much to rebut there --- good choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    you miss the point and the connection between oil, oil companies, and our foreign policy.

    and I would much prefer we talk about the topic of this thread.... maybe try to rebut my post #10...than diverging into a discussion about oil company profits.
    I would much prefer that you answer my question? What do you recommend that we do about oil companies and them treating us like drug addicts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    I would much prefer that you answer my question? What do you recommend that we do about oil companies and them treating us like drug addicts?
    well...for the record, that wasn't your question the first time around...but to answer it now: I'd provide substantial incentives to develop non-fossil fuel technology and make it cost effective. in other words: design a new "drug" that will cause us to shit in our nests less, and cause us to be less dependent on what the middle east has to sell us. I would love to see the day when America's major import from the middle east was hand woven rugs.

    oh yeah...and get the fucking oil men out of the executive branch.
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    Liberals have so much to be proud of. Liberal foreign policy that emboldened Osama bin Laden to plan out attacks against the US, a weak foreign policy that emboldened Iran to take hostages. A weak foreign policy posture that emboldened the USSR to bring us to the brink of nuclear annihiliation.

    Liberals have so much to be proud of when it comes to their domestic policies as well. From keeping minorities like blacks in the ghettos by keeping them dependant on welfare, to the millions of abortions made possible by liberals. From overtaxation of the middle class to driving companies overseas with ridiculous environmental and labor laws.

    Yes, the liberals have plenty to be proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    well...for the record, that wasn't your question the first time around...but to answer it now: I'd provide substantial incentives to develop non-fossil fuel technology and make it cost effective. in other words: design a new "drug" that will cause us to shit in our nests less, and cause us to be less dependent on what the middle east has to sell us. I would love to see the day when America's major import from the middle east was hand woven rugs.

    oh yeah...and get the fucking oil men out of the executive branch.
    In other words you would try to put them out of business. Cool plan. Can we keep keep tax and spender bleeding heart socialists out of the executive branch also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I am proud of our military. I am proud of my father's generation and how they fought to end fascism. I am proud of my own service in the Navy during the cold war... I am proud of America's steady march toward progressive liberalism over the last century and a half....from ending slavery to passing women's suffrage, to child labor laws, to giving unions the right to organize, workplace safety, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, Civil Rights.... there are MANY things that make me proud to be an American.

    What are YOU proud of, RSR?
    so much socialism there....and i don't believe that all the progress you mention was by liberals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    so much socialism there....and i don't believe that all the progress you mention was by liberals...
    They may not have all been by democrats, but they certainly all were advances for progressive liberalism.

    hmmm and I don't see one single program mentioned where the means of production are owned by the government. For you bozos on the right, the word "socialism" has completely lost its intended meaning and now is nothing more than an epithet.

    fyi....

    so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] –noun
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    They may not have all been by democrats, but they certainly all were advances for progressive liberalism.

    hmmm and I don't see one single program mentioned where the means of production are owned by the government. For you bozos on the right, the word "socialism" has completely lost its intended meaning and now is nothing more than an epithet.

    fyi....

    so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] –noun
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    i know what it means and it is exactly what you are advocating... minimum wage....taking property of the owner and putting in the hands of the community/worker....

    you tried to pass those things off as democratic liberal ideas, at least you admit they are not. they also are not simply all progressive liberalism, such a thing has no basis in fact and is only theory, the very fact that such things were accomplished by conservatives belies this theory...its intended affect is to route all positive change/success to liberals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    i know what it means and it is exactly what you are advocating... minimum wage....taking property of the owner and putting in the hands of the community/worker....

    you tried to pass those things off as democratic liberal ideas, at least you admit they are not. they also are not simply all progressive liberalism, such a thing has no basis in fact and is only theory, the very fact that such things were accomplished by conservatives belies this theory...its intended affect is to route all positive change/success to liberals
    which item on my list do you think was spearheaded by conservatives?

    and income redistribution is NOT socialism, no matter how hard you want to make it so. sorry.

    and I didn't ADMIT shit. I NEVER claimed any of those things to be democratic ideas...read the fucking title of the fucking thread you little twit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    which item on my list do you think was spearheaded by conservatives?

    and income redistribution is NOT socialism, no matter how hard you want to make it so. sorry.

    and I didn't ADMIT shit. I NEVER claimed any of those things to be democratic ideas...read the fucking title of the fucking thread you little twit.


    and distribution of wealth is socialism:

    Socialism refers to group of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state.

    wiki it

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