JFKerry Treason Thread

[pegwinn]

Since the treason thread got moved into the steel cage I figure a new one is in order. In that thread we touched on JFKerry and folks drew up in battle lines.

So hopefully this thread will dig into Kerry specifically and not get sent to the cage.

Please read the next couple of posts before voting.

[pegwinn]

DISCLAIMER: This document reflects only the result of the work of the author. No agency, group, or individual other than myself is represented here.

This is a JAG Manual Format (Command Investigation) project. The text is based on the Investigating Officers report to the Commanding Officer and consists of four distinct parts.

The first statement is the subject line. It is intended to concisely describe the specific purpose of the investigation. For those inclined to Nitpick, see chapter 2 of the JAG Manual.

The next section is Findings of Fact. Each fact connected with the investigation is listed sequentially. Each fact must be supported by an item or items of evidence. For this project the sources will be internet based and linked in the body of each fact asserted.

After findings of fact come the Opinions section. Each opinion must be based on facts. The facts must be cited.

Finally the last section is recommendations. Each recommendation must be based on one or more of the opinions presented. The opinions must be cited.

Once completed the JAG is turned into the Commanding Officer for review. He/She will then add an endorsement page with his/her decision. Obviously this project will stop short of a decision.

[pegwinn]

Subj: Investigation concerning post Vietnam actions undertaken by John Forbes Kerry to determine if his actions were treason.

FINDINGS OF FACT:

1. That John F. Kerry enlisted in the US Navy Reserve on February 18, 1966. Encl 1

2. That John Kerry was on active duty in the U.S. Navy for three years and eight months, from August 1966 until March 1970. Encl 1

3. That John F. Kerry served in the US Navy Reserve from March 2 1970 until February 1972. Encl 1

4. That John F. Kerry received an Honorable discharge from the Naval Reserve on February 16, 1978. Encl 6

5. That John F. Kerry received his commission on December 16 1966. Encl 1

6. That the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) applies to all military personnel worldwide to include members of the inactive reserve. Encl 5, Encl 7

7. That article 104 of the UCMJ is applicable to all persons whether civil or military. Encl 7

8. That John F. Kerry was subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice from February 18, 1966 to February 16, 1978. Encl 1, Encl 5, Encl 6

9. That John F. Kerry visited Paris in June of 1970 and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh. Encl 7, Encl 8

10. That John F. Kerry testified before Congress on April 23, 1971. Encl 9

11. That during Senate testimony John F. Kerry stated that he witnessed various atrocities during his tour of duty in Vietnam. Encl 9

12. That John F. Kerry stated that the atrocities were known to all levels of command. Encl 9

13. That John F. Kerry stated that he participated in the atrocities referred to during his Senate testimony. Encl 9

14. That John F. Kerry specifically endorsed the proposals of the communist delegation he had met with in June 1970 during his Senate testimony. Encl 6

15. That the North Vietnamese Government benefited from John F. Kerry's testimony. Encl 10 Encl 11 Encl 15

16. That the North Vietnamese Government created propaganda based in part on John F. Kerry's antiwar activities. Encl 10 Encl 11 Encl 15

17. That The Constitution of the United States , Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. Encl 12

18. That Per the US Supreme Court ruling in Gorin v. United States treason requires a specific intent, and a specific intent both to aid the enemy and to injure the United States. Encl 13

19. That Chief Justice Marshall, in explanation of the Levying War Clause in Article III stated that an overt act was needed to fulfill the requirement. He further clarified the statement by saying "if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors." Encl 14

20. That TITLE 18 CHAPTER 115--TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES Sec. 2381 states: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." Encl 16

OPINIONS:

1. John Kerry was legally accepted into the US Naval Reserve, was Commissioned, served on Active Duty in the Southeast Asia theater of operations and was lawfully required to adhere to the customs, regulations, and orders pertaining to service in the United States Navy. Thus John F. Kerry was "owing allegiance to the United States". (Finding of Facts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 20)

2. John Kerry was subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, specifically Article 104, during his visit to Paris. (Finding of Facts 8, 9)

3. By his own admission John Kerry violated Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (Finding of Facts 10)

4. By his own admission John Kerry was aware of alleged war crimes and failed to either correct the situation or report same to his superiors as was his sworn duty. (Finding of Facts 11)

5. By his own admission, John Kerry committed atrocities which violated the law of land warfare. (Finding of Facts 13)

6. That John Kerry's open endorsement of the communist delegation proposals constituted adhering to the enemy. (Finding of Facts 14, 17)

7. That his actions in total constituted giving aid and comfort to the enemy. (Finding of Facts 14, 15, 16)

8. That the preceeding actions in total meet the legal definition of Treason. (Finding of Facts 17, 18, 19, 20)

RECOMMENDATIONS:

1. That John Kerry be further investigated under article 32 of the UCMJ to specifically create appropriate charges for violation of article 104. (Opinion 3)

2. That John Kerry be further investigated under article 32 to address the potential charges that may be levied at trial for crimes against humanity. (Opinion 5)

3. That John Kerry be suspended from his duties as a Senator of these United States until questions of treason are lawfully addressed via General Court Martial or Military Tribunal. (Opinion 8)

[Gunny]

Subj: Investigation concerning post Vietnam actions undertaken by John Forbes Kerry to determine if his actions were treason.

FINDINGS OF FACT:

1. That John F. Kerry enlisted in the US Navy Reserve on February 18, 1966. Encl 1

2. That John Kerry was on active duty in the U.S. Navy for three years and eight months, from August 1966 until March 1970. Encl 1

3. That John F. Kerry served in the US Navy Reserve from March 2 1970 until February 1972. Encl 1

4. That John F. Kerry received an Honorable discharge from the Naval Reserve on February 16, 1978. Encl 6

5. That John F. Kerry received his commission on December 16 1966. Encl 1

6. That the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) applies to all military personnel worldwide to include members of the inactive reserve. Encl 5, Encl 7

7. That article 104 of the UCMJ is applicable to all persons whether civil or military. Encl 7

8. That John F. Kerry was subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice from February 18, 1966 to February 16, 1978. Encl 1, Encl 5, Encl 6

9. That John F. Kerry visited Paris in June of 1970 and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh. Encl 7, Encl 8

10. That John F. Kerry testified before Congress on April 23, 1971. Encl 9

11. That during Senate testimony John F. Kerry stated that he witnessed various atrocities during his tour of duty in Vietnam. Encl 9

12. That John F. Kerry stated that the atrocities were known to all levels of command. Encl 9

13. That John F. Kerry stated that he participated in the atrocities referred to during his Senate testimony. Encl 9

14. That John F. Kerry specifically endorsed the proposals of the communist delegation he had met with in June 1970 during his Senate testimony. Encl 6

15. That the North Vietnamese Government benefited from John F. Kerry's testimony. Encl 10 Encl 11 Encl 15

16. That the North Vietnamese Government created propaganda based in part on John F. Kerry's antiwar activities. Encl 10 Encl 11 Encl 15

17. That The Constitution of the United States , Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. Encl 12

18. That Per the US Supreme Court ruling in Gorin v. United States treason requires a specific intent, and a specific intent both to aid the enemy and to injure the United States. Encl 13

19. That Chief Justice Marshall, in explanation of the Levying War Clause in Article III stated that an overt act was needed to fulfill the requirement. He further clarified the statement by saying "if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors." Encl 14

20. That TITLE 18 CHAPTER 115--TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES Sec. 2381 states: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." Encl 16

OPINIONS:

1. John Kerry was legally accepted into the US Naval Reserve, was Commissioned, served on Active Duty in the Southeast Asia theater of operations and was lawfully required to adhere to the customs, regulations, and orders pertaining to service in the United States Navy. Thus John F. Kerry was "owing allegiance to the United States". (Finding of Facts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 20)

2. John Kerry was subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, specifically Article 104, during his visit to Paris. (Finding of Facts 8, 9)

3. By his own admission John Kerry violated Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (Finding of Facts 10)

4. By his own admission John Kerry was aware of alleged war crimes and failed to either correct the situation or report same to his superiors as was his sworn duty. (Finding of Facts 11)

5. By his own admission, John Kerry committed atrocities which violated the law of land warfare. (Finding of Facts 13)

6. That John Kerry's open endorsement of the communist delegation proposals constituted adhering to the enemy. (Finding of Facts 14, 17)

7. That his actions in total constituted giving aid and comfort to the enemy. (Finding of Facts 14, 15, 16)

8. That the preceeding actions in total meet the legal definition of Treason. (Finding of Facts 17, 18, 19, 20)

RECOMMENDATIONS:

1. That John Kerry be further investigated under article 32 of the UCMJ to specifically create appropriate charges for violation of article 104. (Opinion 3)

2. That John Kerry be further investigated under article 32 to address the potential charges that may be levied at trial for crimes against humanity. (Opinion 5)

3. That John Kerry be suspended from his duties as a Senator of these United States until questions of treason are lawfully addressed via General Court Martial or Military Tribunal. (Opinion 8)

Based on all of the above, he's not only guilty of treason, but dereliction of duty for not reporting war crimes, and participating in war crimes.

[Gunny]

Interesting ... a "not likely" vote with no comment.

[musicman]

Hell, yeah. And, if you really want the evidence to overflow the bucket, throw in his actions in Central America during the 1980's. THEY ALONE make a pretty good case for treason!

[musicman]

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/M...fort?page=full


But Kerry's infamous (and unlawful) coddling of Vietnamese Communists some 35 years ago (see "Aid and comfort to the enemy: The Kerry Record...") was not his last rendezvous with the Reds. After his election to the Senate in 1984 (as Ted Kennedy's understudy), Kerry spent years dismissing claims by POW family groups that some Americans were still being held in Vietnam and Cambodia. And he has, since, given aid and comfort to plenty of other Red regimes, including some in this hemisphere.

For example, in 1985 Kerry courted Daniel Ortega and his Communist regime in Nicaragua, even traveling to visit his "Dear Comandante" in Managua. Kerry returned to the U.S., where he advocated a policy of appeasement rather than continued funding of Ortega's opponents, the anti-Communist Contras.

[CSM]

I never had a doubt that Kerry should have been given a fair trial and then summarily shot for treason.

[trobinett]

Don't care for the man, and I use that term loosely, but I don't in today's environs think his crimes, and YES he did commit crimes, reaches as high as treason.

BUT, if I were King, I'd hang the son of a bitch!!!

[5stringJeff]

I say not likely, not because his actions were not meant to undermine America, but because the amount of "aid and comfort" North Vietnam received is arguably minimal, even though he technically does meet the criteria for treason.

[Gaffer]

Try and execute the son of a bitch. It's all he deserves. And for good measure execute kennedy along with him.

[Hobbit]

Interesting ... a "not likely" vote with no comment.

That was me, and I was on my way to bed when I put it down. Kerry's a lot of things, but I don't think there's enough for a treason case. On the other hand, I'd say he should get charged with:

Sedition
Slander
Purjury or Crimes Against Humanity (his choice)
Conduct Unbecoming an Officer

and maybe a few other things.

[pegwinn]

I say not likely, not because his actions were not meant to undermine America, but because the amount of "aid and comfort" North Vietnam received is arguably minimal, even though he technically does meet the criteria for treason.

The cool part about a court martial is that technically works for them.

Personally, I think his lack of prosecution was politically motivated. The public would have had a cow. It would have made the OJ Trial look like a well oiled no issues case.

[glockmail]

Try and execute the son of a bitch. It's all he deserves. And for good measure execute kennedy along with him.

Shit. Why not execute all Democrat politicians from the Gay State?

[Gunny]

That was me, and I was on my way to bed when I put it down. Kerry's a lot of things, but I don't think there's enough for a treason case. On the other hand, I'd say he should get charged with:

Sedition
Slander
Purjury or Crimes Against Humanity (his choice)
Conduct Unbecoming an Officer

and maybe a few other things.

My response is simply that based on the evidence presented by the MSgt, if I was the SJA, I would prosecute.