Want to know what really causes homosexuality?

[midcan5]

"You want to know what really causes homosexuality?"

"This question, which arises from an assumption that one is homosexual because “something went wrong,” should be just as interesting as the question, “What causes heterosexuality?” Think about that question for a moment, and ask yourself why nobody ever asks it. In asking this question, are you looking to change someone? To heal someone? Yourself perhaps?"

"The two most common answers one hears today is that sexuality is either a choice, or it’s genetic. Have you considered it might be neither? Perhaps sexuality (homo, hetero and anything in-between) is ‘learned’ as subtely as one’s mother tongue, or perhaps it’s a psychological reaction. It could be a result of parental hormones during conception or pregnancy or breastfeeding. It could be a result of womb-temperature, the vitamin balance in the parents, or their age. It could be a complex combination of these factors. The only honest answer to this question at the moment is that nobody knows."

"Which of these ‘causes’ would justify discrimination?"
Which would make one sexuality inferior to another? Many people believe that if homosexuality were proven to be genetic, then those who discriminate against us would have no reason to discriminate. It’s a seductive argument, but I believe it has more to do with people trying to put their own minds at ease, as they struggle with (self-)acceptance."

"Those who believe a genetic cause would make discrimination unjustifiable, clearly imply that discrimination against homosexuals is justifiable in other circumstances. More importantly, this argument relies on a belief that reason can defeat discrimination, implying that discrimination is based on reason; that discrimination is reasonable."

"If skin-colour were a choice, would racism be justified?
Would it then be completely reasonable to say that only if you are a particular colour are you allowed to marry or join organisations or visit a loved-one in hospital? If skin-colour were a choice, would it be reasonable to say that some skin-colours were sinful or evil or immoral, and others not?"

"Skin-colour is genetic, but has this fact ever changed the opinion of even one of those who discriminate against other races?

Hate is not reasonable.

"Hate is not a reasoned argument. Don’t pander to those who hate by trying to prove you ‘couldn’t help it’, or ‘given the choice, you’d be heterosexual’. Beware of the ‘good little boy’ syndrome, where you over-achieve in the hope that people will be willing to ‘overlook’ your supposed imperfection. These things only justify the discrimination.

"The cause of sexuality is really quite irrelevant, except to those who are insecure and want you to conform. There’s no need to look for some cause, as your sexuality is not an imperfection. You’re just fine the way you are, with your own potential, possibilities and set of things you have to offer to the world.

"Be yourself, inasmuch as that does not bring physical harm, and know you’re not alone. History is littered with proof of the fact that it is possible for the majority to be wrong.

"And quite frankly, the only ‘reasonable’ answer to unreasonable bigots is, well, none at all."

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[Dilloduck]

"You want to know what really causes homosexuality?"

"This question, which arises from an assumption that one is homosexual because “something went wrong,” should be just as interesting as the question, “What causes heterosexuality?” Think about that question for a moment, and ask yourself why nobody ever asks it. In asking this question, are you looking to change someone? To heal someone? Yourself perhaps?"

"The two most common answers one hears today is that sexuality is either a choice, or it’s genetic. Have you considered it might be neither? Perhaps sexuality (homo, hetero and anything in-between) is ‘learned’ as subtely as one’s mother tongue, or perhaps it’s a psychological reaction. It could be a result of parental hormones during conception or pregnancy or breastfeeding. It could be a result of womb-temperature, the vitamin balance in the parents, or their age. It could be a complex combination of these factors. The only honest answer to this question at the moment is that nobody knows."

"Which of these ‘causes’ would justify discrimination?"
Which would make one sexuality inferior to another? Many people believe that if homosexuality were proven to be genetic, then those who discriminate against us would have no reason to discriminate. It’s a seductive argument, but I believe it has more to do with people trying to put their own minds at ease, as they struggle with (self-)acceptance."

"Those who believe a genetic cause would make discrimination unjustifiable, clearly imply that discrimination against homosexuals is justifiable in other circumstances. More importantly, this argument relies on a belief that reason can defeat discrimination, implying that discrimination is based on reason; that discrimination is reasonable."

"If skin-colour were a choice, would racism be justified?
Would it then be completely reasonable to say that only if you are a particular colour are you allowed to marry or join organisations or visit a loved-one in hospital? If skin-colour were a choice, would it be reasonable to say that some skin-colours were sinful or evil or immoral, and others not?"

"Skin-colour is genetic, but has this fact ever changed the opinion of even one of those who discriminate against other races?

Hate is not reasonable.

"Hate is not a reasoned argument. Don’t pander to those who hate by trying to prove you ‘couldn’t help it’, or ‘given the choice, you’d be heterosexual’. Beware of the ‘good little boy’ syndrome, where you over-achieve in the hope that people will be willing to ‘overlook’ your supposed imperfection. These things only justify the discrimination.

"The cause of sexuality is really quite irrelevant, except to those who are insecure and want you to conform. There’s no need to look for some cause, as your sexuality is not an imperfection. You’re just fine the way you are, with your own potential, possibilities and set of things you have to offer to the world.

"Be yourself, inasmuch as that does not bring physical harm, and know you’re not alone. History is littered with proof of the fact that it is possible for the majority to be wrong.

"And quite frankly, the only ‘reasonable’ answer to unreasonable bigots is, well, none at all."

www.scottowen.org

Is it safe to assume that homosexuals might care what causes it so they can assert that they can't help it. Wondering what causes something doesn't immediately mean everyone is looking for a reason to hate it.

[bullypulpit]

To raise the question of "What causes homosexuality?" automatically assumes that homosexuality is a disorder for which some treatment must be found.

It would be more appropriate to examine the influences and process which determine sexual preference, whether homosexuality, heterosexuality or some other variant.

Current research points to a combination of genetic and environmental factors which lead to ones sexual preference.

[glockmail]

To raise the question of "What causes homosexuality?" automatically assumes that homosexuality is a disorder for which some treatment must be found.
.....

Not really. One could just as easily ask the question: what causes blonde hair? That's not a condition that needs to be cured.

[OCA]

"You want to know what really causes homosexuality?"

"This question, which arises from an assumption that one is homosexual because “something went wrong,” should be just as interesting as the question, “What causes heterosexuality?” Think about that question for a moment, and ask yourself why nobody ever asks it. In asking this question, are you looking to change someone? To heal someone? Yourself perhaps?"

"The two most common answers one hears today is that sexuality is either a choice, or it’s genetic. Have you considered it might be neither? Perhaps sexuality (homo, hetero and anything in-between) is ‘learned’ as subtely as one’s mother tongue, or perhaps it’s a psychological reaction. It could be a result of parental hormones during conception or pregnancy or breastfeeding. It could be a result of womb-temperature, the vitamin balance in the parents, or their age. It could be a complex combination of these factors. The only honest answer to this question at the moment is that nobody knows."

"Which of these ‘causes’ would justify discrimination?"
Which would make one sexuality inferior to another? Many people believe that if homosexuality were proven to be genetic, then those who discriminate against us would have no reason to discriminate. It’s a seductive argument, but I believe it has more to do with people trying to put their own minds at ease, as they struggle with (self-)acceptance."

"Those who believe a genetic cause would make discrimination unjustifiable, clearly imply that discrimination against homosexuals is justifiable in other circumstances. More importantly, this argument relies on a belief that reason can defeat discrimination, implying that discrimination is based on reason; that discrimination is reasonable."

"If skin-colour were a choice, would racism be justified?
Would it then be completely reasonable to say that only if you are a particular colour are you allowed to marry or join organisations or visit a loved-one in hospital? If skin-colour were a choice, would it be reasonable to say that some skin-colours were sinful or evil or immoral, and others not?"

"Skin-colour is genetic, but has this fact ever changed the opinion of even one of those who discriminate against other races?

Hate is not reasonable.

"Hate is not a reasoned argument. Don’t pander to those who hate by trying to prove you ‘couldn’t help it’, or ‘given the choice, you’d be heterosexual’. Beware of the ‘good little boy’ syndrome, where you over-achieve in the hope that people will be willing to ‘overlook’ your supposed imperfection. These things only justify the discrimination.

"The cause of sexuality is really quite irrelevant, except to those who are insecure and want you to conform. There’s no need to look for some cause, as your sexuality is not an imperfection. You’re just fine the way you are, with your own potential, possibilities and set of things you have to offer to the world.

"Be yourself, inasmuch as that does not bring physical harm, and know you’re not alone. History is littered with proof of the fact that it is possible for the majority to be wrong.

"And quite frankly, the only ‘reasonable’ answer to unreasonable bigots is, well, none at all."

www.scottowen.org

Utter bunk.

Homosexuality has been proven to be harmful to not only the individual who chooses to engage in the queer lifestyle but harmful to society as well so discrimination is completely justified. We discriminate against drug addicts in various fields because mainly they are a danger to theirselves and others and such is the case with queers(both are choices made by the individual, one chooses the needle the other chooses to smoke pole)..........but really queers are not discriminated against, now are they? They are born with every inalienable right that you or I have including the right to get married.......to someone of the opposite sex. A functioning and prosperous society must set social and moral parameters in order to stay cohesive and society has deemed that queer lifestyle choicers, although free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own little world, would serve no purpose in getting married in the traditional sense and that a same sex relationship lol(what is commonly mistaken as queer love is in reality degenerate lust) is not on par with a hetero relationship or a familial relationship when it comes to legal decision making.

But really queers don't really want to get married, do they? No, what they really want is legitimization of their perversion of choice and marriage is just the vehicle to get there.

And yes, cause does matter because if by some miracle a cause were found then queers could justify the choices that they know were wrong when they made them, its all about saying "its not my fault I smoke meth and have sex with obvious AIDS infected partners, its in my genes".

Also the " no answer at all" line is quite convenient when one cannot refute arguments, its all very convenient.

lol

[OCA]

Current research points to a combination of genetic and environmental factors which lead to ones sexual preference.

Current? LMFAO!

They have been saying the same thing for 40 yrs now but as of 8:40 tonight there is absolutely nothing new and nothing factual or conclusive. Its just the AMA and the APA caving in to pressure from queer groups just like they did in 1973.

[PostmodernProphet]

Does it really matter what causes it?....the question is the choices you make after you decide you are a homosexual...parallel it with alchoholism.....should an alchoholic be told that it is normal and he would enjoy life more if he drank?.....

[avatar4321]

Someone wants to "get off" and decides that they would rather do it with someone of the same sex. thats what causes homosexuality.

[My Winter Storm]

Homosexuality has been proven to be harmful to not only the individual who chooses to engage in the queer lifestyle but harmful to society as well so discrimination is completely justified.

How is homosexuality harmful to the homosexual? We could say that one night stands are harmful to the heterosexuals who choose to indulge in them, couldn't we?
Homosexuality is not harmful to society, it simply offends people morals. You can chose whether something affects you or not, or you can choose to ignore it, and not let it bother you. You choose to let it bother you, when homosexuality has nothing to do with you. You are not homosexual, are you? So why does it bother you so much?
Do you think your actions in your bedroom offend me? Of course not, so why does what I choose to do in my own home bother you so much?

We discriminate against drug addicts in various fields because mainly they are a danger to theirselves and others and such is the case with queers(both are choices made by the individual, one chooses the needle the other chooses to smoke pole)..........but really queers are not discriminated against, now are they?

People make a concious choise to take drugs, to smoke, to drink alcohol - people do not make a concious choice about their sexual orientation.
The only people who really know whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not is homosexuals themselves.
I never chose to be gay - I guess you dispute that?

They are born with every inalienable right that you or I have including the right to get married.......to someone of the opposite sex.
But really queers don't really want to get married, do they? No, what they really want is legitimization of their perversion of choice and marriage is just the vehicle to get there.

Homosexuality is legal, thank you very much, and hopefully, it always will be.
I don't believe we have the right to tell someone that if they want equal rights, they must marry someone they do not, or will ever, love - what is the point of marriage, then? Isn't marrying someone you do not love desecrating the sanctity of marriage, in a way?

And yes, cause does matter because if by some miracle a cause were found then queers could justify the choices that they know were wrong when they made them, its all about saying "its not my fault I smoke meth and have sex with obvious AIDS infected partners, its in my genes".

So you can look at someone and tell if they have AIDS? Wow, what an intelligent being you are.
The homosexuals who have unprotected sex with those they know have HIV/AIDS are nothing more than idiots, but if they wish to put their lives at risk, who am I to stop them?
Most homosexual men take the proper precautions, as they are fully aware of the risks.
In fact, I would not be surprised to learn that more homosexual men wear a condom during sex than heterosexual men - if this were proven, what would you think?

[midcan5]

Does it really matter what causes it?....the question is the choices you make after you decide you are a homosexual...parallel it with alchoholism.....should an alchoholic be told that it is normal and he would enjoy life more if he drank?.....

That's a very poor analogy, alcoholics are addicts, gays are gays. If it is a choice when did you decide? And was that a hard choice? And since it is a choice could you test your theory by switch hitting? Let us know how it goes.

Your avatar is interesting.

[midcan5]

Someone wants to "get off" and decides that they would rather do it with someone of the same sex. thats what causes homosexuality.

How do you know that? Experience?

[Trigg]

To raise the question of "What causes homosexuality?" automatically assumes that homosexuality is a disorder for which some treatment must be found.

It isn't natural, so yes you could consider it a disorder.

Dr's look to find out how deafness or blindness occur and have tried to cure both, why is homosexuality any different?

[Hagbard Celine]

To raise the question of "What causes homosexuality?" automatically assumes that homosexuality is a disorder for which some treatment must be found.

It would be more appropriate to examine the influences and process which determine sexual preference, whether homosexuality, heterosexuality or some other variant.

Current research points to a combination of genetic and environmental factors which lead to ones sexual preference.

Well it's obviously a "disorder." At the very least it's a form of deviancy. Neither of these facts are a reason to rebuke someone though.

[glockmail]

How do you know that? Experience?

A tired but expected retort for gay apologists when the argument falls flat.

[PostmodernProphet]

That's a very poor analogy, alcoholics are addicts, gays are gays. If it is a choice when did you decide? And was that a hard choice? And since it is a choice could you test your theory by switch hitting? Let us know how it goes.

Your avatar is interesting.

not a poor analogy at all.....an alcoholic has an abnormal reaction to alcohol, a homosexual has an abnormal reaction to persons of the same sex.....just as an alcoholic has a choice to make whenever they consider taking a drink, the homosexual has a choice to make whenever they consider engaging in sex......and I haven't had to make that choice, since I do not have an abnormal reaction to persons of the same sex.....