It's a boondoggle with no winners. Everybody loses. Except those with Defense Dept. contracts and those who enjoy the carnage.
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Questions no one can answer about Iraq
It's a boondoggle with no winners. Everybody loses. Except those with Defense Dept. contracts and those who enjoy the carnage.
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secret agent mouse
Come off your high horse for a moment.Originally Posted by gabosaurus
IMO, Bush made a mistake from the beginning going into Iraq.
We're there now and except for small militant groups the population wants us there. If there gov. and police are able to set up a gov. with a real election the people there win. The women and children will have a chance to grow up in a free society instead of one where the women are 3rd class citizens who can't even choose who they marry.
Enemy of the State
Another opinion piece with no facts to back it up, just speculation and hearsay. Oh and plenty of Bush hatred.
When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.
You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.
Not so junior as all that
No, other way around: except for a small number of Bushbots, the population is clearly polling that we want OUT. Come on, you know that.
But in over five years, we haven't been able to do that. We WON WWII on TWO FRONTS inside that time limit, so it's not doable.If there gov. and police are able to set up a gov. with a real election the people there win.
Why not? Because it depends on what THEY do, not on what we do. Depending on what your enemy does? Bad, bad move. Because somehow, they just never do want what we want.
No, indeed!! That is seriously incorrect. Women are far, far WORSE off in Iraq now, not just because the war has beggared everyone and 1.5 million have fled to poverty in other countries, but because fundamentalist Islamism is now in control, by horrible men with no laws to stop their abuses.The women and children will have a chance to grow up in a free society instead of one where the women are 3rd class citizens who can't even choose who they marry.
Women often dressed like Westerners under Saddam, and had electricity, education, and many freedoms. Now that they are enjoying their so-called "free societies" in places like Basra where Neanderthal-type primitive Islamist sex criminals control everything, HUNDREDS of women have been tortured and murdered for crimes such as having the wrong color scarf, or it slips loose in the wind, or they aren't wearing a burqa. Sex crimes, really, because these men aren't allowed to have sex ever. "Honor killings" are WAAAAY up and schools are usually closed because they are being used to store arms by Sadr's militia.
Thursday April 17, 2008
Impact of war on Iraq's women
By NAFIA ABDUL JABBAR and MARWA SABAH
IRAQI women say they are now worse off than they were during the rule of dictator Saddam Hussein and that their plight has deteriorated year by year since the US-led invasion in March 2003.
Now they are demanding not just equal rights but the very “right to live,” says Shameran Marugi, head of the non-governmental organisation Iraqi Women’s Committee.
“The ‘right to live’ is a slogan that we have begun using because a women’s life in Iraq is being threatened on all sides. Laws are not being implemented equally and society is ignoring women,” Maguri said.
“Before the 2003 invasion, it was possible for a woman to lead a normal life as long as she followed state policy,” she said. “It was even possible for a woman to engage in political and economic activities through the official Union of Iraqi Women.
“When the regime change occurred in 2003, women, men, and children went out on to the streets to celebrate. We were very happy,” she said.
“Unfortunately, there was no qualified leadership to handle the situation and society was not equipped to deal with the changes.”
In the past few years, Marugi said, violence against women has increased significantly. “At home, a woman faces violence from her father, husband, brother and even from her son. It has become a kind of a new culture in the society,” said the women’s rights campaigner.
Out in society, women are subjected to verbal abuse on the streets if they are not wearing a hijab and in extreme cases, face being abducted by unknown gunmen, who sexually abuse and then kill them.
“It has also become normal for women to receive death threats for working for example as a hairdresser or a tailor, for not wearing a hijab or not dressing ‘decently,’“ said Marugi, adding: “In addition to equal rights we are now demanding the ‘right to live.’“
Although there are no official nationwide figures available, rights activists report numerous cases of so-called “honour killings” in the southern city of Basra, in the northern Kurdish area and in the capital Baghdad.
A United Nations report said police in Basra registered 44 cases in 2007 where women were killed with multiple gunshot wounds after being accused of committing “honour crimes”.
In Baghdad, the report said, several women teachers have been shot dead by armed men, some of them in front of their students.
A report by the US-based Women For Women International released last month said the state of Iraqi women has become a “national crisis” since the March 2003 US-led invasion.
“Present-day Iraq is plagued by insecurity, a lack of infrastructure and controversial leadership, transforming the situation for women from one of relative autonomy and security before the war into a national crisis,” said the report.
It said 64% of the women surveyed complained that violence against them had increased.
secret agent mouse
=mundame;234676]No, other way around: except for a small number of Bushbots, the population is clearly polling that we want OUT. Come on, you know that.
THEIR population wants us there, I know many here want us out as quickly as possible and consiquences be damned.
But in over five years, we haven't been able to do that. We WON WWII on TWO FRONTS inside that time limit, so it's not doable.
We won those two wars because the gov. gave up and there was no garilla fighting. WE only won in Japan because we nuked them, since their gov. was telling them to fight to the last man.
Why not? Because it depends on what THEY do, not on what we do. Depending on what your enemy does? Bad, bad move. Because somehow, they just never do want what we want.
The war is over. We are now fighting garrilla and militant forces, not the gov. The regular people want us there.
Not so junior as all that
No, that's incorrect. The "regular people," both Shiite and Sunni, both groups want us out, out, out, according to the last poll taken there recently.
We're an occupying force: of course they want us out. Would you want a bunch of damn Muslims in uniform occupying your county seat and setting up checkpoints all over the county, breaking into homes at will, electricity and water doesn't work any more, no jobs, no nothing, people leaving for other counties as fast as they could?
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Last month, ABC News, the BBC and other news outlets released the results of a carefully conducted, detailed poll of more than 2,000 Iraqi citizens, all of whom were interviewed in person by fellow Arabic speakers.
... of those who believed security had improved, only 4 percent were willing to attribute that improvement to U.S. forces. In fact, almost half of Iraqis —- 46 percent —- say security would improve if U.S. forces left Iraq altogether, with only 29 percent saying security would decline if we did so.
Other numbers bolster the prediction that, John McCain’s wishes to the contrary, we will not be staying in Iraq another 100 years. According to the poll, 38 percent of Iraqis, and 61 percent of Iraqi Sunnis, want U.S. forces to leave immediately, with another 35 percent calling for our departure as soon as sufficient security is restored. Just 4 percent said they would accept a more permanent U.S. presence.
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As for Americans,
Bush's disapproval worst of any president in 70 years
USA Today - <NOBR>13 hours ago</NOBR>
In another record, the percentage of Americans who say the invasion of Iraq was a mistake reached a new high, 63%, in the latest poll. ...
secret agent mouse
My neice is getting ready to marry and Iraqi who has family living in Iraq. He's in the US army and getting ready to re-deploy as an interpreter. They want us there, polls are shit.
Not so junior as all that
Please don't go. I do not want to see you for the first time pictured on CNN.
secret agent mouse
WHAT???
I'm not going, my nieces fiancée is going back. He re-enlisted.
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