White House Cautions Against Restricting Aid To Iraq

[Pale Rider]

What?... it might...*PROLONG* the war? Going into it's SIXTH YEAR... it might *PROLONG* the war???!!! What kind of BULL SHIT is THAT???!!!

White House Cautions Against Restricting Aid To Iraq

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 30, 6:50 AM ET

WASHINGTON - White House officials this week privately cautioned lawmakers not to go too far in restricting U.S. aid to Iraq, warning that doing so might only prolong the war, now in its sixth year.

The Bush administration didn't slam the door on proposals in Congress that would insist Iraq do more to pay for its rebuilding efforts. In the meantime, independent investigators conclude in a report that substantial U.S. support continues despite Baghdad's anticipated $70 billion windfall in oil revenues.

The soaring cost of fuel prices and duration of the war have spurred the latest effort in Congress to get the Iraqis to pay more toward rebuilding efforts. Democrats and even some Republicans say American taxpayers are footing too much of the bill, including an expensive and painfully slow operation to train and equip Baghdad's security forces.

"There's going to have to be some honest-to-goodness pressure" to get the Iraqis to take charge, said Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "We can't be there forever."

Administration officials are concerned that cutting U.S. aid, particularly for rebuilding Iraq's security forces, would only slow the war effort and delay the homecoming of troops.

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[mundame]

What?... it might...*PROLONG* the war? Going into it's SIXTH YEAR... it might *PROLONG* the war???!!! What kind of BULL SHIT is THAT???!!!

And now American deaths are rising yet again -- they are the highest in April they've been in nine months -- and no doubt the administration will try to put a positive spin on THAT, too.

Like John McCain says --- if the war is going badly, that means we have to stay there.

And if the war is going well, that means we might as well stay there.



What??

[Pale Rider]

And now American deaths are rising yet again -- they are the highest in April they've been in nine months -- and no doubt the administration will try to put a positive spin on THAT, too.

Like John McCain says --- if the war is going badly, that means we have to stay there.

And if the war is going well, that means we might as well stay there.

What??

True... it seems that the reason we're hearing that we need to stay there anymore is... well... because we're THERE!

This war was a complete and utter fuck up from it's inception. I remember watching the build up and the invasion and asking myself, "what the fuck are we doing?" This is bush's war. It is his fuck up. Between getting us embroiled in this never ending war and doing his best to keep the doors open on the border to illegal aliens, I think bush is quite possibly, jimmy peanut brain carter aside, the worst President I've ever had the displeasure of living through.

We need to get our asses out of Iraq. Not later, sooner. I don't remember giving anyone my permission to spend my American tax dollars to engage in military occupations and nation building. In fact, I do believe that's against the constitution of the United States.

I hate this war... it's bush's baby, not mine, and we need to get the fuck out of it.

[gabosaurus]

Pale, you must understand -- the Bushies WANT to prolong the war.
If you vote for McCain, you are voting for extending the slaughter indefinitely.

I wonder if McCain will find a way to collaborate with the terrorists. He has plenty of experience of that sort.

[actsnoblemartin]

and hillary or barrack will have them out in a year?

you really believe that, i dont

Pale, you must understand -- the Bushies WANT to prolong the war.
If you vote for McCain, you are voting for extending the slaughter indefinitely.

I wonder if McCain will find a way to collaborate with the terrorists. He has plenty of experience of that sort.

[gabosaurus]

I am hoping for less than a year.

[Pale Rider]

Pale, you must understand -- the Bushies WANT to prolong the war.
If you vote for McCain, you are voting for extending the slaughter indefinitely.

I wonder if McCain will find a way to collaborate with the terrorists. He has plenty of experience of that sort.

I'm not voting for mccain Gab... no freakin' way. I'll probably vote for Ron Paul, and he believes we need to get the hell out of Iraq immediately. That war is bleeding our economy dry, ruining our military, and it's unconstitutional.

[actsnoblemartin]

How is it un-constitutional

I'm not voting for mccain Gab... no freakin' way. I'll probably vote for Ron Paul, and he believes we need to get the hell out of Iraq immediately. That war is bleeding our economy dry, ruining our military, and it's unconstitutional.

[Pale Rider]

How is it un-constitutional

It is against the constitution to invade another sovereign country without provocation. It is against the constitution to be an occupying force in another nation. It is against the constitution to engage in nation building using American taxpayer funds. Need more?

[mundame]

I remember watching the build up and the invasion and asking myself, "what the fuck are we doing?" This is bush's war. It is his fuck up. Between getting us embroiled in this never ending war and doing his best to keep the doors open on the border to illegal aliens, I think bush is quite possibly, jimmy peanut brain carter aside, the worst President I've ever had the displeasure of living through.

Carter WAS worse, but I'm thinking Lyndon Johnson with his far worse -- and so far longer -- Vietnam war with 58,000 Americans killed and a Great Society with quota hiring and college admitting laws that have seriously messed us up, Johnson was the worst for me so far.

But Bush is sure no bargain.

Well, at least you saw it going in as a problem. I thought it was an okay idea. I was for it! Woe is me, it's a lesson to me not to cheer on wars anymore.

I don't remember giving anyone my permission to spend my American tax dollars to engage in military occupations and nation building. In fact, I do believe that's against the constitution of the United States.

THE MAJOR reason I voted for Bush was that he ran on not doing "nationbuilding" wars. Well, and poor Gore was stained by all that Clinton misbehavior at the end, of course. But no nationbuilding was IMPORTANT to me. And what is the one, sole, only thing that miserable man has done since he got in?

Failing at nationbuilding, non-stop.

[actsnoblemartin]

A few questions.

Did saddam win an election to become the president?

did he follow the terms he voluntarily signed after with u.n. and arab support we whooped his ass in the first golf war?

did he kill 300-400 thousdand as well as rape and torture his own people?

How again is that soveriegn?

We still have forces all over the world, so arent we occupying them too?

Didnt the marshall plan nation build europe and japan?

It is against the constitution to invade another sovereign country without provocation. It is against the constitution to be an occupying force in another nation. It is against the constitution to engage in nation building using American taxpayer funds. Need more?

[Gaffer]

It is against the constitution to invade another sovereign country without provocation. It is against the constitution to be an occupying force in another nation. It is against the constitution to engage in nation building using American taxpayer funds. Need more?

What part of the Constitution says we cannot invade another country, for any reason? What part of the Constitution says we cannot occupy another country? What part of the Constitution says we cannot engage in nation building?

Just askin'.

[Kathianne]

It is against the constitution to invade another sovereign country without provocation. It is against the constitution to be an occupying force in another nation. It is against the constitution to engage in nation building using American taxpayer funds. Need more?

Really? Like during the 1870's? Where was that announced?

[Kathianne]

Carter WAS worse, but I'm thinking Lyndon Johnson with his far worse -- and so far longer -- Vietnam war with 58,000 Americans killed and a Great Society with quota hiring and college admitting laws that have seriously messed us up, Johnson was the worst for me so far.

But Bush is sure no bargain.

Well, at least you saw it going in as a problem. I thought it was an okay idea. I was for it! Woe is me, it's a lesson to me not to cheer on wars anymore.



THE MAJOR reason I voted for Bush was that he ran on not doing "nationbuilding" wars. Well, and poor Gore was stained by all that Clinton misbehavior at the end, of course. But no nationbuilding was IMPORTANT to me. And what is the one, sole, only thing that miserable man has done since he got in?

Failing at nationbuilding, non-stop.

There are many things we agree on, but in this case, bashing Bush on the 'nation building' meme, well it's wrong.

He meant what he said in 2000 build up, moreso than I could have believed. He was a washout internationally up until 9/11. Then all things changed, well except for the far left and right.

[Pale Rider]

A few questions.

Did saddam win an election to become the president?

did he follow the terms he voluntarily signed after with u.n. and arab support we whooped his ass in the first golf war?

did he kill 300-400 thousdand as well as rape and torture his own people?

How again is that soveriegn?

We still have forces all over the world, so arent we occupying them too?

Didnt the marshall plan nation build europe and japan?

What does it matter? I Iraq was a sovereign nation. It shouldn't be any of our business.

Let me ask you a question? Who appointed America the "worlds police?"