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    Default Japan: drop the bombs or not ?????

    Should the atomic bombs have been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    Attempts to answer the moral questions raised by the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are rooted in a cold-blooded mathematical equation of war.

    The rationale is simple: You kill a lot of people now, hoping to save even more lives later.

    An estimated 140,000 people were killed at Hiroshima and another 74,000 at Nagasaki. Would an Allied invasion of Japan have been more bloody?

    Many factors cloud any calculation:

    The battle for the outlying Japanese island of Okinawa a few months earlier killed at least 12,400 Americans, between 100,000 and 127,000 Japanese soldiers and between 70,000 to 80,000 civilians.

    About 3,000 kamikaze suicide plane missions were flown at Okinawa, and only a handful of Japanese soldiers surrendered.

    More people were killed in the battle for the small island than the combined toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    What would have happened if Kyushu - the westernmost of Japan's four main islands - was invaded in November 1945 as planned?

    Or if the Allies went ahead with plans to invade the main island of Honshu in March 1946?

    The Allies estimated between 63,000 to 250,000 of their men would be killed or wounded in the battle for Kyushu - depending on which historian provides the figures. Japanese casualties were expected to be much greater."


    As one might expect, the few surviving crew members of the B-29s bombers Enola Gay and Bock’s Car are interviewed each August by reporters from around the world, who invariably ask them the same question with mind-numbing familiarity: “Do you have any regrets?”

    In response to this question, Lt. Col. Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay, recently issued this statement:

    "In the past 60 years since Hiroshima, I have received many letters from people all over the world. The vast majority have expressed gratitude (that we) were able to deliver the bombs that ended the war. Over the years, thousands of former soldiers and military family members have expressed a particularly touching and personal gratitude suggesting that they might not be alive today had it been necessary to resort to an invasion of the Japanese home islands to end the fighting.

    I have been thanked as well by Japanese veterans and civilians who would have been expected to carry out suicidal defense of their homelands. Combined with the efforts of all Americans and our allies, we were able to stop the killing. It is a sentiment upon which the surviving crewmen are unanimous."

    "To try to comprehend the human costs of Japan’s rampage across the Pacific, one should consider that the generally accepted casualty figures for the Hiroshima attack include at least 100,000 people killed outright by the blast and fire that destroyed the city. Thus, if we are to quantify the loss of life across Asia due to Japanese aggression in terms of Hiroshima, then the minimum number of Hiroshimas inflicted by Japan onto its neighbors, including China, Korea, Indochina, Burma, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines and the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) is at least one hundred. Beginning in 1931 with the invasion of Manchuria, Japan unleashed wave after wave of death and destruction on her Asian neighbors, the rough equivalent on one Hiroshima per month for more than 14 years."

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    I think it was the right call. they were far from finished. 5,000 died in the Kamikaze attacks off Okinawa alone.
    do you use or hold back your best weapon???? consider this:
    he decides NOT to use the bombs. how many US serviceman die in the invasion. ive heard ests as high as a million. so. we invade. the war ends. the grieving families find out Truman had a 'magic weapon' that could have saved their loved ones. how do they react???? ill tell you. they want a rope around Trumans neck !!!!
    ive heard Japan is still waiting for an official apology for the US
    but thats just my opinion.

    so what do you think????
    Should the atomic bombs have been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?




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    An absolute YES where I'm concerned.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

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    the point of war is to win.......so yes drop the bomb....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

    ~Albert Camus

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    some foreigner on another board posted these for shock & awe. he said if these were Americans it would bother me. I said yes. but better them than us.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    the point of war is to win.......so yes drop the bomb....
    I wish we'd apply that same logic in Iraq.

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    If the Japanese had possession of the same weapon, would they have used it? I know Germany would have and I would bet Japan would have also.

    Yes, it is regrettable for such a weapon to be used but I don't think we had a choice, it was a just decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I wish we'd apply that same logic in Iraq.
    can't....not at war with iraq....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    YES. and I vote to do unto others before they do unto you...Iran come to mind.
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    Japan was trying to build a bomb just like the Nazi's. as the noose tightened on Germany they sold off what they had to Japan. so they attempted to build one. but time ran out. to get the tech info and 1,235 pounds of uranium oxide to japan it had to go by submarine.
    Japan's A-Bomb Project: One of War's 'What Ifs' link

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    we bombed them because we didnt want to sacrifice 500,000-1,000,000 people

    So, I say... it was the right thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by namvet View Post
    Should the atomic bombs have been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    Attempts to answer the moral questions raised by the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are rooted in a cold-blooded mathematical equation of war.

    The rationale is simple: You kill a lot of people now, hoping to save even more lives later.

    An estimated 140,000 people were killed at Hiroshima and another 74,000 at Nagasaki. Would an Allied invasion of Japan have been more bloody?

    Many factors cloud any calculation:

    The battle for the outlying Japanese island of Okinawa a few months earlier killed at least 12,400 Americans, between 100,000 and 127,000 Japanese soldiers and between 70,000 to 80,000 civilians.

    About 3,000 kamikaze suicide plane missions were flown at Okinawa, and only a handful of Japanese soldiers surrendered.

    More people were killed in the battle for the small island than the combined toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    What would have happened if Kyushu - the westernmost of Japan's four main islands - was invaded in November 1945 as planned?

    Or if the Allies went ahead with plans to invade the main island of Honshu in March 1946?

    The Allies estimated between 63,000 to 250,000 of their men would be killed or wounded in the battle for Kyushu - depending on which historian provides the figures. Japanese casualties were expected to be much greater."


    As one might expect, the few surviving crew members of the B-29s bombers Enola Gay and Bock’s Car are interviewed each August by reporters from around the world, who invariably ask them the same question with mind-numbing familiarity: “Do you have any regrets?”

    In response to this question, Lt. Col. Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay, recently issued this statement:

    "In the past 60 years since Hiroshima, I have received many letters from people all over the world. The vast majority have expressed gratitude (that we) were able to deliver the bombs that ended the war. Over the years, thousands of former soldiers and military family members have expressed a particularly touching and personal gratitude suggesting that they might not be alive today had it been necessary to resort to an invasion of the Japanese home islands to end the fighting.

    I have been thanked as well by Japanese veterans and civilians who would have been expected to carry out suicidal defense of their homelands. Combined with the efforts of all Americans and our allies, we were able to stop the killing. It is a sentiment upon which the surviving crewmen are unanimous."

    "To try to comprehend the human costs of Japan’s rampage across the Pacific, one should consider that the generally accepted casualty figures for the Hiroshima attack include at least 100,000 people killed outright by the blast and fire that destroyed the city. Thus, if we are to quantify the loss of life across Asia due to Japanese aggression in terms of Hiroshima, then the minimum number of Hiroshimas inflicted by Japan onto its neighbors, including China, Korea, Indochina, Burma, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines and the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) is at least one hundred. Beginning in 1931 with the invasion of Manchuria, Japan unleashed wave after wave of death and destruction on her Asian neighbors, the rough equivalent on one Hiroshima per month for more than 14 years."

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    thinker

    I think it was the right call. they were far from finished. 5,000 died in the Kamikaze attacks off Okinawa alone.
    do you use or hold back your best weapon???? consider this:
    he decides NOT to use the bombs. how many US serviceman die in the invasion. ive heard ests as high as a million. so. we invade. the war ends. the grieving families find out Truman had a 'magic weapon' that could have saved their loved ones. how do they react???? ill tell you. they want a rope around Trumans neck !!!!
    ive heard Japan is still waiting for an official apology for the US
    but thats just my opinion.

    so what do you think????
    Should the atomic bombs have been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?




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    Guess I have to be different and say that I don't think the bomb should have been dropped. I am well aware that people would have died eithor way, but I have a problem with innocent people being killed. I think there could have been a better way to end the war instead of resorting to violence, but I do know I am in the minority here.

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    I respect you sharon, but what do you think war is, patty cakes, and bakers men?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel View Post
    Guess I have to be different and say that I don't think the bomb should have been dropped. I am well aware that people would have died eithor way, but I have a problem with innocent people being killed. I think there could have been a better way to end the war instead of resorting to violence, but I do know I am in the minority here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel View Post
    Guess I have to be different and say that I don't think the bomb should have been dropped. I am well aware that people would have died eithor way, but I have a problem with innocent people being killed. I think there could have been a better way to end the war instead of resorting to violence, but I do know I am in the minority here.
    Actually more people died in the fire bombing of Tokyo then from the nukes. And such bombings would have taken place all over Japan had we needed to keep going up to an invasion. The fact that we could now do, with one bomb, what it took hundreds of planes to do, finally made the Japanese leaders sit up and take notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet View Post
    Should the atomic bombs have been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
    if we had truly understood the power of those atomic weapons, I believe we would have dropped them somewhere uninhabited, and then asked the Japanese leaders to contemplate the effects of using them on Hiroshima.....
    ...full immersion.....

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    Japn could have surrendered after the first bomb was dropped. They decided not to

    Jappan started the war - the US finished it


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