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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So you're allowed to make post that has no other purpose than to flame me, tell me I'm "out of my league" (Yeah, below my league) and then insult me by pretending as if I'm too stupid to post anywhere besides the photography thread? That's not declaring victory? Am I not allowed to call you names back? Is that a right solely held by you? Like I said: Pathetic.
    The entire premise of the debate me and marine82 were in was that the world is filled with gray areas. I've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that gray areas can exist in any area of life. All you've done is back up my claims. Saying that the world is "black and white" is ridiculous and makes you look ridiculous because it's impossible to jive with that. If you acknowledge that there can be different types of murder then obviously it's not black and white. Murder = killing somebody. Seems pretty black and white right? Well what about self defense? What about killing in a war? It's not black and white. You can't just say all murder is wrong and that's the way it is because there are gray areas to be considered. There are many ways and many circumstances in which this can happen. Not all of them are evil (as you have demonstrated by repeating my examples back to me).


    You have proven nothing. I HAVENT seen too many on this board who feel the same as you. The fact YOU WANT there to be grey areas is scary. That means that you WANT to be able to get away with something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So you're allowed to make post that has no other purpose than to flame me, tell me I'm "out of my league" (Yeah, below my league) and then insult me by pretending as if I'm too stupid to post anywhere besides the photography thread? That's not declaring victory? Am I not allowed to call you names back? Is that a right solely held by you? Like I said: Pathetic.
    The entire premise of the debate me and marine82 were in was that the world is filled with gray areas. I've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that gray areas can exist in any area of life. All you've done is back up my claims. Saying that the world is "black and white" is ridiculous and makes you look ridiculous because it's impossible to jive with that. If you acknowledge that there can be different types of murder then obviously it's not black and white. Murder = killing somebody. Seems pretty black and white right? Well what about self defense? What about killing in a war? It's not black and white. You can't just say all murder is wrong and that's the way it is because there are gray areas to be considered. There are many ways and many circumstances in which this can happen. Not all of them are evil (as you have demonstrated by repeating my examples back to me).
    You haven't proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt. Murder is the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. If there was no malice it is manslaughter. Self defense or accidental deaths are considered to be homicides. There is an answer for everything. It is black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Is it wrong for a soldier to murder his enemy?

    Is it wrong for a starving man to steal food?

    Would it be wrong to burn down a building used to make kiddie porn?

    Would it be wrong to kidnap someone if it was for the purpose of saving their life?

    That's just off the top of my head.
    1)Yes. A soldier would be court martialed for murdering anyone. including his enemy.
    2)Yes its wrong for a starving men to steal food. There are plenty of charities and jobs to either get help with food or work for it.
    3)Yes, there is no argument that would ever make arson right
    4)No. its still kidnapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    what is gray about stopping when she says no? you either stop or you don't.
    its grey because he doesnt want to admit that he is making bad choices and wants things to be grey so he can pretend there is no right or wrong there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    She doesn't say "no." If she said "no" then DUH, if you didn't stop you'd be in the wrong. In the scenario I've laid-out, she never says no. She just starts calling you a rapist and then presses charges. If they had your dna and her word against yours, they could charge you with rape. But would it really be rape? Technically it is rape, but it's not really evil because you know you did nothing wrong (other than picking up and sleeping with a crazy chick).
    no, it is not technically rape. just because she screams something, doesn't make it true. what is she screamed murder, are you saying that is technically murder? and her word against yours is not a "grey area" of the law, it is a liar vs the truth. the law does have areas of grey, but this example is not one hag.
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    The law is full of grey areas in practice. Definitions of what crimes are can be found in the legislation. Working out from evidence if a crime has been committed and what it is (if any) is the grey area.

    If human A causes the death of human B the actions can be categorised as everything from murder down to "oops sorry about that". It just depends on the context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    The law is full of grey areas in practice. Definitions of what crimes are can be found in the legislation. Working out from evidence if a crime has been committed and what it is (if any) is the grey area.

    If human A causes the death of human B the actions can be categorised as everything from murder down to "oops sorry about that". It just depends on the context.
    Yep..and sentencing is almost totally gray with the few exceptions of mandatory sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    The law is full of grey areas in practice. Definitions of what crimes are can be found in the legislation. Working out from evidence if a crime has been committed and what it is (if any) is the grey area.

    If human A causes the death of human B the actions can be categorised as everything from murder down to "oops sorry about that". It just depends on the context.
    If it has a category, then it is black and white. I discussed it in an earlier post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    The law is full of grey areas in practice. Definitions of what crimes are can be found in the legislation. Working out from evidence if a crime has been committed and what it is (if any) is the grey area.

    If human A causes the death of human B the actions can be categorised as everything from murder down to "oops sorry about that". It just depends on the context.
    And when laws, esp. criminal ones, are "grey", they are often considerd unconstitutionally vague and often are struck down as such.
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    Not to mention all the gay pedophile Catholic priests.

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    So, do we prefer "grey" or "gray" Or is that in itself a gray/grey area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Just because the female is a bitch DOES NOT give you the right to rape her. PERIOD!
    So you endorse raping bitchy women having their periods? Pretty kinky dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    No, research...independently and repeatably verifiable research...changed that. Sorry, you lose again.

    Research, conducted through multiple batteries of psychological testing, involving different test protocols all show the same thing...there is little difference between psychologically healthy heterosexual and homosexual populations. Homosexuality is not a psychopathology, and that myth has long been debunked.

    You can find a comprehensive list of these studies and their results <a href=http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/gayscience.html>HERE</a>.
    I posted this on another thread where Pale failed to rise to the challenge.

    Much as PR and his fellow travelers dislike it, the evidence shows there to be little difference in the psychological health of homosexuals and heterosexuals. Pedophilia IS a psychopathology. Homosexuality IS NOT a psychopathology. It really causes the right wing-nuts to get bent completely out of shape when their pet causes are shown for the utter BS they really are. They just can't accept that reality has a liberal bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    And this will mean that a paedophile who sexually assaults a child will murder them to enhance their chances of not being convicted of the sexual assault. Since the penalty is the same they have nothing to lose.

    Bad move.
    That's quite a leap, and I don't see any information indicating that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    I posted this on another thread where Pale failed to rise to the challenge.

    Much as PR and his fellow travelers dislike it, the evidence shows there to be little difference in the psychological health of homosexuals and heterosexuals. Pedophilia IS a psychopathology. Homosexuality IS NOT a psychopathology. It really causes the right wing-nuts to get bent completely out of shape when their pet causes are shown for the utter BS they really are. They just can't accept that reality has a liberal bias.
    I've already showed proof in this thread, that apparently you didn't read, that most pedophiles are homosexuals.

    No amount of your spin or opinion is going to disprove it either bull. I know you love your homos, but facts are facts. You're going to have to just admit it. You can't go through life being as big of an idiot as you forever.

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