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    Often when debates discuss worst presidents Carter is mentioned, since I was of voting age starting with Nixon .... I always found the Reagan Administration to be the worst till now. (Bush Jr hands down is the worst.) The reason I labeled Reagan the worst was he started the decline of the middle class and reinvented the imperial, aka military, presidency. But Reagan didn't seem to grasp his flag waving would lead to the hubris that made war too easy for some. He did realize quickly his tax policies were voodoo economics. It was the background ideology that grew out of the decline of Russia, Granada, and a Gulf War with a foolish dictator that made so many in power so naive. So it is with interest I read other people's take on this same period and who is the worst. Full disclosure: I voted for Nixon.

    http://myrhaf.blogspot.com/2007/05/w...n-history.html

    "At home Nixon imposed wage and price controls, a purely socialistic intervention in the economy that bumbling Jimmy Carter never could have attempted. He created the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Health and Safety Administration, two assaults on liberty that to this day create anti-capitalist regulations that violate rights and hamper the economy. He expanded the welfare state, creating Supplemental Security Income and indexing Social Security to inflation. He created the Drug Enforcement Agency, probably the biggest move in America’s idiotic war on drugs.

    But none of these evils is Nixon’s worst moment. He is responsible for the single most destructive act in the history of the American presidency, an act that has destroyed more wealth and worsened more lives than anything before or since. In 1971, as Wikipedia puts it, he “eradicated the last remnants of the gold standard.” This created the inflation crises of the 1970’s and affects us with “moderate” inflation to this day. The high interest rates that Republicans blame Carter for are actually the result of Nixon’s policies."

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    So your opinion is based solely on personal experience? None of the other 39 were worse than those you mentioned?
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    Carter. he introduced us to terrorists. and ran the prime interst rate to 21%.


    Klinton. he brought terrorists to the USA. responsible for the 9-11 attack.

    so it should be the worst presidents. no just one.

    Carter was not the worst president in history, not even close. Being a typical Democrat, he was just incompetent, and mere incompetence cannot get really bad things done.

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    I would have to agree with Namvet. Carter and Clinton are responsible for the mess the US is today. With their weak willed, poll driven responses to major events when having a bit of a spine would have saved us a lot of trouble.

    Most events quoted by Bin Laden to show we are a paper tiger were events that happened during the Carter and Clinton years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    So your opinion is based solely on personal experience? None of the other 39 were worse than those you mentioned?
    That's a funny question for me especially after you read the two subsequent replies. Talk about not knowing a blessed thing! I often wonder at the reading comprehension of the likes of Namvet and Ranger, clearly Reagan/Bush set precedents for terrorism if one only wants to point fingers.

    Bush should thanks Clinton for the wonderful military force he is now hurting just as his economic policies have hurt this nation.


    In terms of American values, Bush is the worst, he has a ticker tape of wrongs against our democratic republic.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120101509.html

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/pro...ent_in_history

    http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

    “It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

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    The Iranians and Iraq were both fed by raygun and ollie north. The al quaida in Afghanistan was backed by the raygun machine. The tactics and methods used by al quaida are gratis from our military.
    The theory of the enemy of my enemy is my friend should be cast aside as it is a false truism like so many of the republican mantras.
    A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.

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    Carter set the stage by allowing a two bit country with no military to hold the country hostage for 444 days. That reduced the US from a superpower to a super joke. Reagan helped by pulling the Marines out of Beirut after the embassy bombing. That also made us look weak. Clinton had the 1st Tower bombing, two embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, Kosovo, Bosnia and Somalia. All of these made us look like weak willed simpletons who would run at the first sign of trouble.

    So number wise, Clinton wins.
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    Raygun did a good job of training them!
    A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    The Iranians and Iraq were both fed by raygun and ollie north. The al quaida in Afghanistan was backed by the raygun machine. The tactics and methods used by al quaida are gratis from our military.
    The theory of the enemy of my enemy is my friend should be cast aside as it is a false truism like so many of the republican mantras.
    blah, blah, blah.............Have you finished reading the DNC talking points yet? Going to try to have an original thought of your own sometime this century. Go slow, you might sprain something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Raygun did a good job of training them!
    YAWN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    That's a funny question for me especially after you read the two subsequent replies. Talk about not knowing a blessed thing! I often wonder at the reading comprehension of the likes of Namvet and Ranger, clearly Reagan/Bush set precedents for terrorism if one only wants to point fingers.

    Bush should thanks Clinton for the wonderful military force he is now hurting just as his economic policies have hurt this nation.


    In terms of American values, Bush is the worst, he has a ticker tape of wrongs against our democratic republic.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120101509.html

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/pro...ent_in_history

    http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

    “It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”
    and I often wonder at the reading comprehension of the likes of tincan. why don't you tell us why Klinton took a pass on taking out Bin Laden. the only thing you can thank Klinton for is the 3000 he murdered on 9-11. your moot

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    You people need to look at this from a historical standpoint and not just use the topic to grind your respective political axes.

    Many history buffs believe it is tough to find a more inept and corrupt president than Warren G. Harding.
    Jimmy Carter is listed as one of the least prepared presidents of the modern era.

    Bill Clinton actually gets fairly high marks. Simply because he had to survive a lot of scrutiny and criticism.

    Before the Nixon era, the president's personal life was rarely mentioned. Some have had indiscretions that would have the modern media drooling non-stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet View Post
    and I often wonder at the reading comprehension of the likes of tincan. why don't you tell us why Klinton took a pass on taking out Bin Laden. the only thing you can thank Klinton for is the 3000 he murdered on 9-11. your moot
    Do you mean Clinton? Last I checked bin laden didn't do 911 or he wouldn't be here - you do realize that much I hope. The BS Clinton could have taken out OBL has been gone over enough that most fifth graders know the circumstances better than you.

    Carter inherited the incredible mess Nixon/Ford left. Please google stagflation etc. The original post gives an argument against Nixon. Funny, the author of that piece is obviously conservative/libertarian but most of the things he faults Nixon with are Ok with this me.


    http://www.studien-von-zeitfragen.de...agflation.html

    http://thejunction.net/justfacts/200...rice-controls/

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Do you mean Clinton? Last I checked bin laden didn't do 911 or he wouldn't be here - you do realize that much I hope. The BS Clinton could have taken out OBL has been gone over enough that most fifth graders know the circumstances better than you.

    Carter inherited the incredible mess Nixon/Ford left. Please google stagflation etc. The original post gives an argument against Nixon. Funny, the author of that piece is obviously conservative/libertarian but most of the things he faults Nixon with are Ok with this me.


    http://www.studien-von-zeitfragen.de...agflation.html

    http://thejunction.net/justfacts/200...rice-controls/
    If bin laden didn't "do" 9/11 why is everyone bent out of shape that American troops havent captured him yet ?

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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