why are we wasting time, money, and lives

[actsnoblemartin]

fighting a 20th century conventional war against 21st century Guerrillas, who are, i know this is not popular to say but: are highly intelligent, I mean... car bombs, homicide bombers, i.e.d.

we should be begging the Israelis for advice,

sometimes when you fuck something up so bad, you gotta have the balls to say screw it, and walk away.

And maybe in the future, start over the right way

you cant build a house on a terrible foundation, and keep building, when the builders say demolish and start over

[crin63]

fighting a 20th century conventional war against 21st century gorillas

Maybe because the zoo needs more room. LOL!

Its, "Guerrillas".

[actsnoblemartin]

thanks my friend

I love the zoo and i changed it thanks again

Maybe because the zoo needs more room. LOL!

Its, "Guerrillas".

[namvet]

fighting a 20th century conventional war against 21st century Guerrillas, who are, i know this is not popular to say but: are highly intelligent, I mean... car bombs, homicide bombers, i.e.d.

we should be begging the Israelis for advice,

sometimes when you fuck something up so bad, you gotta have the balls to say screw it, and walk away.

And maybe in the future, start over the right way

you cant build a house on a terrible foundation, and keep building, when the builders say demolish and start over

car bombs, homicide bombers, i.e.d.

how much intelligence or imagination does this require???? its an act of desperation. if all else fails. a last ditch effort. jez

[Yurt]

explain exactly why you think we are fighting these terrorist with 20th century thinking/tech? from what i see, iraq/afghanistan has shown some incredibly modern tech, drones, ability to find IED's....

[actsnoblemartin]

eh its just a thought.

I havent made up my mind yet on either one.

Ill be riding that fence for a long time to come

and its not really up to me anyway, its up to general patreus

how much intelligence or imagination does this require???? its an act of desperation. if all else fails. a last ditch effort. jez

[actsnoblemartin]

the drones are a great idea, but i dont like the huge amount of ground troops against guerillas.

this isnt my final position, its just a thought

explain exactly why you think we are fighting these terrorist with 20th century thinking/tech? from what i see, iraq/afghanistan has shown some incredibly modern tech, drones, ability to find IED's....

[Gaffer]

Huge amounts of ground troops is what you use to overwhelm the enemy. High tech equipment, like drones and smart missiles find and kill the enemy. The enemy is not intelligent. They are canny and sly. They are evil. But smart and intelligent they are not or they wouldn't believe in their ideology.

The problem with the war is there are too many people sitting on the fence. Fence sitters are appeasers. You either believe in something or you don't.

[namvet]

the drones are a great idea, but i dont like the huge amount of ground troops against guerillas.

this isnt my final position, its just a thought

consider this. some day there will be no troops. just robots. and fighter jocks???? a thing of the past. that's where its all headed.

[hjmick]

this isnt my final position, its just a thought

Martin, I'm not sure you've ever had a "final" position on anything. LOL

[darin]

fighting a 20th century conventional war against 21st century Guerrillas, who are, i know this is not popular to say but: are highly intelligent, I mean... car bombs, homicide bombers, i.e.d.

we should be begging the Israelis for advice,

sometimes when you fuck something up so bad, you gotta have the balls to say screw it, and walk away.

And maybe in the future, start over the right way

you cant build a house on a terrible foundation, and keep building, when the builders say demolish and start over

I have to say - what the heck to YOU know about modern warfare? What the heck makes you think we're using antiquated tactics? Here's what i think you did - you heard some political HACK on the TV use that '20th century tactics' bullshit and decided to use it online.

You have NO IDEA of the tactics the Army is using when coping with their enemy. You may have a cursory knowledge based on free open sources, but until you've been there, or been in, or are associated with the Army, don't pretend you know better than even a Private, much less the GENERAL officers and Senior Civilians who tell the army how to fight, okay?

You don't LIKE the "huge amounts of ground troops" being there eh? Newsflash, Zartan, they don't like being there either. But what number would make you comfortable? What processes would you use to determine an amount of troop strength you like?

[Monkeybone]

if we really wanted to just route them out and get over it, we should use WWII tactics. that'll take care of them.

[hjmick]

if we really wanted to just route them out and get over it, we should use WWII tactics. that'll take care of them.

Would that WWII Dresden tactics or WWII Nagasaki tactics?

[Monkeybone]

Dresden, we need to be able to get in there and drill for oil and radiation hangs around for a while for some reason.

[hjmick]

Could you imagine the outrage if there was a bombing mission on the level of what we pulled over Dresden? Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from, I'm just saying...