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    Unhappy Iraq's civil war leaves women marginalised and at risk

    Sad to see things getting worse for woman all over the place in the Muslim world but especially in a country we invaded and have considerable power/responsibility to.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/womenira...XlbIMKNHYDW7oF

    BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraq's sectarian war, which followed decades of repression and economic sanctions, has left the country's women marginalised, afraid and prey to increasingly radical ideological factions.

    As activists around the world mark International Women's Day, Fatima, a 55-year-old Baghdad gynaecologist, will try as best she can to deal with the needs of the war-weary women crowding her bare waiting room.

    "Often, the problems are simply psychological. They come to talk about their husbands who have been killed or being driven out of their neighbourhoods," she told AFP at her surgery.

    Is the situation getting worse for Iraqi women? "Of course, of course, of course," she replied, as the city's latest daily power cut plunged the sparse treatment room into darkness.

    "Pregnant women can't go to hospital if they go into labour during the overnight curfew. More and more of them are dying, along with their babies," she said, apologising for not having precise statistics.

    In fact, independent figures are hard to find in war-torn Baghdad.

    According to UN health agencies, maternal mortality doubled between 1989 and 2001 under the effects of the economic embargo imposed on Saddam Hussein's regime.

    Since the 2003 US invasion and 2005 elections, Iraq's health ministry has fallen under the control of a radical Shiite Islamist faction loyal to anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

    Now, Fatima says, many Sunni women are scared to attend clinics or travel for treatment through districts controlled by Shiite militias.

    On the day AFP visited the surgery, Fatima treated two women suffering from what she called "collateral damage" from the war outside.

    The first suffered a miscarriage due to the trauma of losing a close relative to the violence. The other was infertile and disappointed to find that Baghdad's in-vitro fertilisation equipment has been looted.

    "Now only the rich can afford such treatment, by flying to Jordan," sighed Fatima, whose name has been changed to protect her and her patients.

    Of course, all Iraqis male or female are in some way or another touched by the violence raging in the country. Nevetheless, many argue that women's rights have particularly suffered amid the radicalisation of society.

    Layla al-Alkhafaji, a 49-year-old member of parliament, was elected on the ticket of the United Iraqi Alliance, the main Shiite bloc.

    She has herself adopted Islamic dress -- a black abbaya -- when she goes out and, in common with many other Iraqi women, is very careful not to draw any attention to herself.

    "Women in Iraq used to drive cars. Myself, I don't take this risk. It would bring people's attention. Women try everything to avoid attention, " she told AFP, lamenting in particular the damage to female education.

    "The situation is shrinking our freedom to go out by ourselves," she said.

    "Even going to school: With attacks by takfiris (Sunni extremists) and the kidnapping of women, some families do not allow their girls to go to school. Not because they are against education, but because they are scared."

    According to the United Nations, three-quarters of Iraqi women are illiterate, compared to only 44 percent of men.

    Alongside the harassment suffered by women from extremists on all sides, the war condemns dozens of women every day to a life of widowhood, often lonely and rejected by surviving relatives.

    Amid all the suffering, there are fewer and fewer organisations working to improve the lot of Iraqi women. Almost no international agencies can work safely, and Iraqi insitutions are often forced to close up shop.

    One local women's group ceased its actvities in October last year, for what its last press release said was security reasons. Now, its founder does not want to speak -- even anonymously -- about the situation.

    "Although I have left Iraq, there are still some members of my family there and I am afraid they may be exposed and killed. Therefore I apologise, but I can't give any interview to you," she told AFP by telephone.

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    In pakistan as well.

    Violent debate on women's rights in Pakistan
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070306/wl_csm/opakrights

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    I notice the same thing in Christian nations that follow the Bible ...

    oh wai, no I don't. Maybe the Bible isn't as "bad" as the Koran, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    In pakistan as well.

    Violent debate on women's rights in Pakistan
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070306/wl_csm/opakrights
    War sucks for everyone---people need to think about that before they associate with those who are intent on killing the citizens of a large and powerful country. Maybe those mullahs outta rethink a few of the fatwahs and jihads and stuff. Or do you think America is just evil and really enjoys just making life miserable for the Isalmic women ?

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    No Maybe the followers have the bible live in a culture that has moved on. The ME hasn't yet, that doesn't mean the religious text are that different on the issue or that the Koran is worse on woman’s issues. Christian Europe was just as bad at one time. It's a cultural thing not a religious thing I'm thinking. We in the west have set aside the more archaic laws of our religious text which is a good thing and hopefully the feminists in the ME will one day be able to do the same in their area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Or do you think America is just evil and really enjoys just making life miserable for the Isalmic women ?
    No but I do think America started this war and some of these problems by invading Iraq.

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    How do you fix a dishwasher?

    Kick her in the butt.

    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    No but I do think America started this war and some of these problems by invading Iraq.
    I realize that you try to pretend that Iraq is not a part of the war on terror but it is and America didn't start it. If they stop--we will stop.

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    The problem for the iraqi women is islam. And the sects of islam that are fighting one another.

    The bloody days of christiandom were short lived compared to the muslims. And anyone comparing those days with todays muslims is just grasping for straws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    I realize that you try to pretend that Iraq is not a part of the war on terror but it is and America didn't start it. If they stop--we will stop.
    Iraq had very little terrorist activity compared to other ME countries yet it was invaded. That doesn't make much sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Iraq had very little terrorist activity compared to other ME countries yet it was invaded. That doesn't make much sense.
    agreed--A lot of people don't get it. I don't think I got the whole Balkan thing either but it was one a the few things I backed Clinton on.

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    Well there are plenty of terrorists there now. The only problem being they will be able to outlast us and we may have made more by the invasion in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Well there are plenty of terrorists there now. The only problem being they will be able to outlast us and we may have made more by the invasion in the first place.
    yup there are---all the better reason to stay there and kill em. Hard to prove we "created" more terrorists but if they want to meet the same fate as thier thousands of dead buddies so be it.

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    You can't kill an idea with guns and bombs. That is what is motivating those people and it will spread faster than you can kill the people who hold them. Hearts and minds and all that is also needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    You can't kill an idea with guns and bombs. That is what is motivating those people and it will spread faster than you can kill the people who hold them. Hearts and minds and all that is also needed.
    Their hearts and minds were already flooded with hate-America propaganda from the day they were born and you CAN make an idea look pretty shitty when you show people the results of thinking that way.

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