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    Default Video shows woman dying on Brooklyn hospital floor

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080702/...43cN5K52NvzwcF

    NEW YORK - City hospital officials agreed in court Tuesday to implement reforms at a psychiatric ward where surveillance footage showed a woman falling from her chair, writhing on the floor and dying as workers failed to help for more than an hour.

    Esmin Green, 49, had been waiting in the emergency room for nearly 24 hours when she toppled from her seat at 5:32 a.m. on June 19, falling face down on the floor.

    She was dead by 6:35, when someone on the medical staff, flagged down by a person in the waiting room, finally approached, nudged Green with her foot, and gently prodded her shoulder, as if to wake her. The staffer then left and returned with someone wearing a white lab coat who examined her and summoned help.

    Until the staffer's appearance, Green's collapse barely caused a ripple. Other patients waiting a few feet away didn't react. Security guards and a member of the hospital's staff appeared to notice her prone body at least three times, but made no visible attempt to see if she needed help.

    One guard didn't even leave his chair, rolling it around a corner to stare at the body, then rolling away a few moments later.

    Green, who had been involuntarily committed the previous morning, and had waited overnight for a bed, stopped moving about half an hour after she collapsed.

    The New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs the hospital, said six people have been fired as a result, including security personnel and members of the medical staff.

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    Reforming rules isnt going to to fix this. This isnt a rule issue. It's a matter of human heart.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Health-care / Human concern in the wealthiest nation on earth, that calls itself Christian, and spends over 700 billion on the military.

    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolit...litarySpending

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Health-care / Human concern in the wealthiest nation on earth, that calls itself Christian, and spends over 700 billion on the military.

    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolit...litarySpending
    What exactly is your point?
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Reforming rules isnt going to to fix this. This isnt a rule issue. It's a matter of human heart.

    Well said.

    I suppose they were overwhelmed by demands on them, but still.

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    Well what do you expect in a liberal city like NY.

    I'm sure they thought it was someone elses responsibility to take care of her. Cradle to the grave and all that.











    now before every lib on the board has a cow. This obviously has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with empathy for other people. Which, sadly seems to be lacking everywhere these days.

    The above was to point out how (some) libs on the board want to place politics in every issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    What exactly is your point?
    The point is that our priorities are out of whack in general.
    Last edited by Hagbard Celine; 07-02-2008 at 12:39 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigg View Post
    Well what do you expect in a liberal city like NY.

    I'm sure they thought it was someone elses responsibility to take care of her. Cradle to the grave and all that.
    now before every lib on the board has a cow. This obviously has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with empathy for other people. Which, sadly seems to be lacking everywhere these days.

    The above was to point out how (some) libs on the board want to place politics in every issue.
    -Said the guy who brought politics into the issue. What a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Health-care / Human concern in the wealthiest nation on earth, that calls itself Christian, and spends over 700 billion on the military.

    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolit...litarySpending
    So it was a Christian hospital? I must have missed that in the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    The point is that our priorities are out of whack in general.
    yes, gay pride parades and massive demonstrations for gay "rights" are truly helping put the spotlight on the "important" issues

    everybody has priorities...we are a decadent nation and as such we enjoy the luxury, if you will, of indulging in priorities that, in some manner, do not matter to survival.
    Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. ~Zen Buddhist Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    yes, gay pride parades and massive demonstrations for gay "rights" are truly helping put the spotlight on the "important" issues

    everybody has priorities...we are a decadent nation and as such we enjoy the luxury, if you will, of indulging in priorities that, in some manner, do not matter to survival.
    Okay genius. If gay pride parades take away from our priorities, then so do Christmas parades--and while we're at it, so do picnics and vacations and everything else fun and good that we do in our free time. I swear sometimes you guys can be so dense it scares me that the state allows you have drivers licenses.
    Last edited by Hagbard Celine; 07-02-2008 at 02:06 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Okay genius. If gay pride parades take away from our priorities, then so do Christmas parades--and while we're at it, so do picnics and vacations and everything else fun and good that we do in our free time. I swear sometimes you guys can be so dense it scares me that the state allows you have drivers licenses.
    you're talking apples and oranges. there are traditions that keep a country's psyche positive, you know, traditions, you know what those are....right.

    i'm sure to you, gay pride is a tradition....

    so, you think we are not decadent? or did christmas bashing cloud your mind with frustration so that you forgot about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    The point is that our priorities are out of whack in general.
    I think our priorities are quite fine. Health care is not a government responsibility. National Security is.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    I think our priorities are quite fine. Health care is not a government responsibility. National Security is.
    Unless it comes to abortion right? Then it's got government written all over it doesn't it Republican?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Unless it comes to abortion right? Then it's got government written all over it doesn't it Republican?
    It's not Republicans who are forcing federal law to support abortion now is it? You guys made it an issue. You guys are the ones who brought it to the courts to give the federal government power to interfer in it. Stop complaining when we try to fix your incompetant blunders.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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