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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    a bump for midcan who still says the same thing about mccain but can't back it up and has never had the courage to answer the above.
    Sorry, missed this till now.

    You can have a thousand guns so long as they are legal and registered. No loss of freedom there. But if you force me to start a family I cannot support because you allow your religion to enter government, that is a great loss of freedom.

    Structure (government and its parts) is the system of law and policy that provides for freedom. Freedom does not exist if contracts are not honored and order does not exist. No loss of freedom there.

    The only reason they have that money is because of a system of shared knowledge and a social, as well as a physical, infrastructure. Their additional use of it requires they pay for it. Remember our 90% fair tax. No loss of freedom there.

    The private sector operates on profit, how would we get them to provide UHC, the only reasonable way would be as insurance paid for by taxes on individuals, the corporations, and the wealthy. SS is insurance, no reason healthcare couldn't work the same with money coming from everyone. Costs would need to be controlled, monitored, and regulated and those with large incomes could do what they do now. I don't see government programs as interference in our lives. I see it as I see law, essential to a working society. Healthcare would provide workers with more freedom to switch jobs or attempt other work related changes with one issue off their mind.

    Drilling is a non issue in my mind. We have little of the world's reserve of the black stuff. But ruining the shorelines and the beaches is a loss of freedom as now I cannot enjoy them as I once did. If we the people decide we want it then so be it, if not so be it.

    I don't see taxes as a loss of freedom, money doesn't equal freedom, it can be just the opposite. Taxes are the prices we pay for a modern society. And the individual is free as they can use those roads, attend those schools, ride that bus, enjoy a clean beach, or do none of those things and still be able to live their life as others will raise the food and get it to them. So when McCain Palin want to restrict how I can live my life they are going against a fundamental American principle: individual freedom.




    A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

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    The above is such a pinheaded post, it defies a serious rebuttal...

    It would be a waste of time....like arguing with an imbecile...
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Sorry, missed this till now.

    You can have a thousand guns so long as they are legal and registered. No loss of freedom there. But if you force me to start a family I cannot support because you allow your religion to enter government, that is a great loss of freedom.
    Who's 'forcing' you to start a family?' Oh, you mean restricting abortions? You saw this gaining support, where?

    Structure (government and its parts) is the system of law and policy that provides for freedom. Freedom does not exist if contracts are not honored and order does not exist. No loss of freedom there.

    The only reason they have that money is because of a system of shared knowledge and a social, as well as a physical, infrastructure. Their additional use of it requires they pay for it. Remember our 90% fair tax. No loss of freedom there.
    Says who?

    The private sector operates on profit, how would we get them to provide UHC, the only reasonable way would be as insurance paid for by taxes on individuals, the corporations, and the wealthy. SS is insurance, no reason healthcare couldn't work the same with money coming from everyone. Costs would need to be controlled, monitored, and regulated and those with large incomes could do what they do now. I don't see government programs as interference in our lives. I see it as I see law, essential to a working society. Healthcare would provide workers with more freedom to switch jobs or attempt other work related changes with one issue off their mind.
    Of course you don't. You are an admitted socialist. Bully for you, but most Americans disagree with that, regardless of party.

    Drilling is a non issue in my mind. We have little of the world's reserve of the black stuff. But ruining the shorelines and the beaches is a loss of freedom as now I cannot enjoy them as I once did. If we the people decide we want it then so be it, if not so be it.
    Well that's weird, as none has been opened up yet. Seriously, you have a problem.

    I don't see taxes as a loss of freedom, money doesn't equal freedom, it can be just the opposite. Taxes are the prices we pay for a modern society. And the individual is free as they can use those roads, attend those schools, ride that bus, enjoy a clean beach, or do none of those things and still be able to live their life as others will raise the food and get it to them. So when McCain Palin want to restrict how I can live my life they are going against a fundamental American principle: individual freedom.
    LOL! Seriously, are you drinking or getting high? You repeat yourself and make less sense as we go along.


    A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.
    Almost letting you have the last word.


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    You don't have to vote "for" anybody. All you have to do is look at what would happen if the other person go in.

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    I can't understand why you are unable to join the growing list of enthusiastic McCain supporters!


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    i......uh......i.....uh........uh.........i'm trying to say.........uh........now let me think here.....



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