Obama proposes massive new "civilian national security force"

[avatar4321]

Let's ignore the fascism/socialist aspect of this for a moment.

What exactly does Obama expect this group of volunteers to do? I still dont know what our military can't do national security wise.

[mundame]

Let's ignore the fascism/socialist aspect of this for a moment.

What exactly does Obama expect this group of volunteers to do? I still dont know what our military can't do national security wise.

I guess they could spy on everybody; the post office people refused to do that when Homeland Security floated the idea, so get the kids to spy.

It was done formally in both the Soviet Union early on, and famously in Nazi Germany, kids rewarded by the regime for turning in their parents for forbidden types of talk at home.

I'm kidding in a way, I really expect this stupid idea to die in the campaign. Bush floated the same nonsense after 9/11 in a SOTU address, but it went nowhere.

[SpidermanTUba]

I guess they could spy on everybody; the post office people refused to do that when Homeland Security floated the idea, so get the kids to spy.

It was done formally in both the Soviet Union early on, and famously in Nazi Germany, kids rewarded by the regime for turning in their parents for forbidden types of talk at home.

I'm kidding in a way, I really expect this stupid idea to die in the campaign. Bush floated the same nonsense after 9/11 in a SOTU address, but it went nowhere.

Our government already does such a wonderful job of spying on its own citizens.

[glockmail]

But that's not his belief. You just made it up.

We don't know what Obama's beliefs are. They change from day to day.

[Little-Acorn]

You have to wonder: What is Obama's reason for wanting a new force (as he called it) like this, as large and well-funded as the present U.S. Army? Just another way to direct government largesse to people not presently getting it, in exchange for their votes in November?

What exactly does he intend these people to do?

[mundame]

What is Obama's reason for wanting a new force (as he called it) like this, as large and well-funded as the present U.S. Army? Just another way to direct government largesse to people not presently getting it, in exchange for their votes in November?

I like it, Acorn: I bet you are right. We need to watch out for that.

[PostmodernProphet]

my daughter's private school has required service participation for years now.....ten hours per year for underclassmen, twenty hours for seniors......no graduation without proof of participation......

[Trigg]

my daughter's private school has required service participation for years now.....ten hours per year for underclassmen, twenty hours for seniors......no graduation without proof of participation......

That's the difference between public and private schools though. You signed your kids up for school knowing the requirements up front.

Obama is threatening to withhold gov. funding. Big difference.

[SpidermanTUba]

That's the difference between public and private schools though. You signed your kids up for school knowing the requirements up front.

Obama is threatening to withhold gov. funding. Big difference.

We had to do 40 hours in my high school during our junior year. It was definitely a worthwhile experience. I hated it at the time but I think it helped me grow up a little quicker.

If a law like this gets passed, they need to realize that a lot of private schools and indeed churches require service already. Had I not gone to a private school, my church would have required me to do about the same amount of service to get confirmed anyway.

[mundame]

If a law like this gets passed, they need to realize that a lot of private schools and indeed churches require service already. Had I not gone to a private school, my church would have required me to do about the same amount of service to get confirmed anyway.

What service were you expected to do from your church?

[Trigg]

We had to do 40 hours in my high school during our junior year. It was definitely a worthwhile experience. I hated it at the time but I think it helped me grow up a little quicker.

If a law like this gets passed, they need to realize that a lot of private schools and indeed churches require service already. Had I not gone to a private school, my church would have required me to do about the same amount of service to get confirmed anyway.

My problem with this is the disenfranchisement of the poor.

Obama wants to threaten people with no federal funding for schools. Inner city schools are the ones that are going to suffer. The parents can't afford to ferry their children to and from volunteer programs.

Libs argue until they're blue in the face about requiring ID to vote and then Obama proposes something like this????? Our low income students would be refused funding for their schools and no diploma on top of that. What a nice guy.

For the record you can't com pair private school requirements to public.

[SpidermanTUba]

My problem with this is the disenfranchisement of the poor.

Obama wants to threaten people with no federal funding for schools. Inner city schools are the ones that are going to suffer. The parents can't afford to ferry their children to and from volunteer programs.

So have volunteer programs that utilize school transportation. Maybe we shouldn't expect poor kids to go to school at all, since it puts such a burden on their family to have to go do stuff.

[mundame]

So have volunteer programs that utilize school transportation. Maybe we shouldn't expect poor kids to go to school at all, since it puts such a burden on their family to have to go do stuff.

I like it. Let's do exactly that: people only go to school whose family WANTS them to and can force them to go and to behave well enough to stay in.

Hard rules, real discipline, if they act like thugs they get suspended or expelled. Don't want to go? Good, lettuce-picking is 800 miles thataway.

And you KNOW we need lettuce-pickers.

[Trigg]

So have volunteer programs that utilize school transportation. Maybe we shouldn't expect poor kids to go to school at all, since it puts such a burden on their family to have to go do stuff.

Why do you hate the poor? Arn't you a dem?

[SpidermanTUba]

I like it. Let's do exactly that: people only go to school whose family WANTS them to and can force them to go and to behave well enough to stay in.

Hard rules, real discipline, if they act like thugs they get suspended or expelled. Don't want to go? Good, lettuce-picking is 800 miles thataway.

And you KNOW we need lettuce-pickers.

Plus, they should only be allowed to go if their parents have enough money to pay for it.

I'm personally against any sort of system that seeks to provide opportunity to those with bad parents. I think any kid with bad parents should just be sold into slavery.