Is the human race in serious trouble?

[GW in Ohio]

All of our environmental problems have their origin in overpopulation. There are just too many people for the earth to sustain. All of our problems, from pollution to global warming, have their roots in overpopulation.

But unless all the nations of the world come together and agree to impose draconian limits on reproduction, we will continue to produce more humans than the earth can sustain.

What will happen is there will be nasty wars for the earth's scarce resources. Many people will die nasty deaths in the future before we finally come to terms with this overpopulation thing. And before those people mercifully die, they will experience nasty, brutish living conditions brought on by excessive heat and scarce food and water.

And institutions like the Catholic Church have made themselves the enemy of mankind because on their intransigence on reproductive rights.

Sinead O'Connor had it right.....Fight the real enemy....the Pope.

[stephanie]

WE ARE........DOOMED.

[-Cp]

All of our environmental problems have their origin in overpopulation. There are just too many people for the earth to sustain. All of our problems, from pollution to global warming, have their roots in overpopulation.

But unless all the nations of the world come together and agree to impose draconian limits on reproduction, we will continue to produce more humans than the earth can sustain.

What will happen is there will be nasty wars for the earth's scarce resources. Many people will die nasty deaths in the future before we finally come to terms with this overpopulation thing. And before those people mercifully die, they will experience nasty, brutish living conditions brought on by excessive heat and scarce food and water.

And institutions like the Catholic Church have made themselves the enemy of mankind because on their intransigence on reproductive rights.

Sinead O'Connor had it right.....Fight the real enemy....the Pope.

You should take a lesson from George Carlin:
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ljNDbKpusT0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ljNDbKpusT0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[mundame]

All of our environmental problems have their origin in overpopulation. There are just too many people for the earth to sustain. All of our problems, from pollution to global warming, have their roots in overpopulation.

But unless all the nations of the world come together and agree to impose draconian limits on reproduction, we will continue to produce more humans than the earth can sustain.

Sure. Well said, GW.

There are far, far too many people: does anyone suppose anyone would have any worries about human-caused climate change (assuming that is happening, which I don't) if we weren't crowding up the Earth so badly?

With all the AIDS infecting Africa, their main problem is STILL overpopulation: Ethiopia has been on the edge of starvation as long as any of us can remember, and it just tipped over again. Why? Way too many people! The land can't support them: relocation is the only answer, one aid worker said. Simply transporting the people out -------- but to where? Here? I'd rather not.

Migration of wildly overpopulating poor people to less-populated, better managed areas like Europe and the U.S. are the big story of this century. It'll end by these overpopulating peoples taking over, and not to the advantage of humanity generally, since these groups tend to be Muslim and primitive and have nothing ressembling Western values.

[avatar4321]

We aren't suffering from overpopulation. We are suffering from overregulation that keeps us from using our resources as efficiently as we can.

I cringe every time we hear about "overpopulation". Because that line of thinking leads to genocide.

[-Cp]

Sure. Well said, GW.

There are far, far too many people: does anyone suppose anyone would have any worries about human-caused climate change (assuming that is happening, which I don't) if we weren't crowding up the Earth so badly?

With all the AIDS infecting Africa, their main problem is STILL overpopulation: Ethiopia has been on the edge of starvation as long as any of us can remember, and it just tipped over again. Why? Way too many people! The land can't support them: relocation is the only answer, one aid worker said. Simply transporting the people out -------- but to where? Here? I'd rather not.

Migration of wildly overpopulating poor people to less-populated, better managed areas like Europe and the U.S. are the big story of this century. It'll end by these overpopulating peoples taking over, and not to the advantage of humanity generally, since these groups tend to be Muslim and primitive and have nothing ressembling Western values.

Do you have any sources which provide evidence that the land in the world cannot support the humans which occupy it?

Also, did you know you can fit everyone in the world who's alive today inside the state of Texas and give them each their own home?

The math:
27,878,400 square feet in a square mile

268,581 square miles in texas

thats 7,487,608,550,400 (7.487 _trillon_) square feet in texas

Divided by 6 billion people leaves us _only_ 1247.9 square feet per person... thats almost twice the size of my apartment.. of course, some people would be living on lakes and rivers and such, but nevertheless. another simple computation that shows just how big this world is -- and how small "we" are..

[-Cp]

I also want to add:

Fact: World population growth is rapidly declining. United Nations figures show that the 79 countries that comprise 40 percent of the world's population now have fertility rates too low to prevent population decline. The rate in Asia fell from 2.4 in 1965-70 to 1.5 in 1990-95. In Latin America and the Caribbean, the rate fell from 2.75 in 1960-65 to 1.70 in 1990-95. In Europe, the rate fell to 0.16 — that is, effectively zero — in 1990-95. And the annual rate of change in world population fell from 2 percent in 1965-70 to less than 1.5 percent in 1990-95.

Worldwide, the number of children the typical woman had during her lifetime (total fertility) fell from 5 in 1950-55 to less than 3 in 1990-95. (The number necessary just to "replace" the current generation is 2.1.) In the more developed regions, total fertility fell from 2.77 to 1.68 over the same period. In the less developed regions it fell from more than 6 to 3.3. Total fertility in Mexico was 3.1 in 1990-95. In Spain it stood at 1.3, and in Italy, it was 1.2.

Official forecasts of eventual world population size have been steadily falling. In 1992-93, the World Bank predicted world population would exceed 10 billion by the year 2050. In 1996, the U.N. predicted 9 billion for 2050. If the trend continues, the next estimate will be lower still.

[namvet]

and who was that loser that came up with global warming?????? mine was cold as a well diggers ass last winter.................

[glockmail]

All of our environmental problems have their origin in overpopulation. There are just too many people for the earth to sustain. All of our problems, from pollution to global warming, have their roots in overpopulation.

But unless all the nations of the world come together and agree to impose draconian limits on reproduction, we will continue to produce more humans than the earth can sustain.

What will happen is there will be nasty wars for the earth's scarce resources. Many people will die nasty deaths in the future before we finally come to terms with this overpopulation thing. And before those people mercifully die, they will experience nasty, brutish living conditions brought on by excessive heat and scarce food and water.

And institutions like the Catholic Church have made themselves the enemy of mankind because on their intransigence on reproductive rights.

Sinead O'Connor had it right.....Fight the real enemy....the Pope.

Why not start by collecting all your liberal friends and walking into the ocean like a bunch of Lemmings? When you meet up with Lucifer, tell him I said "Fuck you, bitch".

[mundame]

I cringe every time we hear about "overpopulation". Because that line of thinking leads to genocide.

Not at all! Genocide is a wholly different issue, and is of course the ultimate goal of war, getting entirely rid of an enemy and taking their resources.

Overpopulation is about the Reverend Malthus' ideas. It's a natural phenomenon, happens to every species. When any species reaches the limit of its food, one of two things happen:

1) starvation keeps births just exactly balanced with resources

2) something besides starvation lowers population: disease, war, etc.


A species can luck out and get into a new territory or take someone else's territory by killing them or them dying out (American Indians come to mind). Or in the case of humans, have scientific discoveries, like the genetics of food crops.

But at SOME point........there are inevitable limits. There just are.

And locally there are limits before the whole world feels them, as in currently starving Ethiopia, or in Darfur where refugees from Chad are trying to take over the land but are constantly getting burned out by the Janjaweed. If people are trapped in an area, they come up against the resource limits sooner; that's why all the migration.

We can't reproduce geometrically and live on air, you know.

[GW in Ohio]

I also want to add:

Fact: World population growth is rapidly declining. United Nations figures show that the 79 countries that comprise 40 percent of the world's population now have fertility rates too low to prevent population decline. The rate in Asia fell from 2.4 in 1965-70 to 1.5 in 1990-95. In Latin America and the Caribbean, the rate fell from 2.75 in 1960-65 to 1.70 in 1990-95. In Europe, the rate fell to 0.16 — that is, effectively zero — in 1990-95. And the annual rate of change in world population fell from 2 percent in 1965-70 to less than 1.5 percent in 1990-95.

Worldwide, the number of children the typical woman had during her lifetime (total fertility) fell from 5 in 1950-55 to less than 3 in 1990-95. (The number necessary just to "replace" the current generation is 2.1.) In the more developed regions, total fertility fell from 2.77 to 1.68 over the same period. In the less developed regions it fell from more than 6 to 3.3. Total fertility in Mexico was 3.1 in 1990-95. In Spain it stood at 1.3, and in Italy, it was 1.2.

Official forecasts of eventual world population size have been steadily falling. In 1992-93, the World Bank predicted world population would exceed 10 billion by the year 2050. In 1996, the U.N. predicted 9 billion for 2050. If the trend continues, the next estimate will be lower still.

Yes, you're right. World population growth is declining.

But....

The true reasons why our population is crashing is we have passed our sustainable limits for both of our major food energy sources, grains and fish, as well as very quickly reaching our fresh water limits.

This is bad because we have yet to recognize the alarming facts that for the last 16 years we have passed the sustainable food limits that Earth can produce relative to population. This plus our population is going down faster and faster each year for 13 straight years. Meanwhile 3.6 billion people are barely getting enough to eat with more than 1 billion of them in total abject poverty. And let us not forget that somewhere between 10 and 30 million children die every year of the worst possible death, starvation and starvation related diseases.

The rise in Grain Yield per hectare is slowing in all major grain-producing regions. Since 1984, grain output per person has fallen on average by .6 percent per year. Global warming will accelerate the decline in arable farmland and lead to widespread famines.

Hungry people wage war, because they have nothing to lose.

[actsnoblemartin]

I know tigers are, GOD DAM HUMANS

in 1900 their were 100,000 tigers, today there are 3,000

All of our environmental problems have their origin in overpopulation. There are just too many people for the earth to sustain. All of our problems, from pollution to global warming, have their roots in overpopulation.

But unless all the nations of the world come together and agree to impose draconian limits on reproduction, we will continue to produce more humans than the earth can sustain.

What will happen is there will be nasty wars for the earth's scarce resources. Many people will die nasty deaths in the future before we finally come to terms with this overpopulation thing. And before those people mercifully die, they will experience nasty, brutish living conditions brought on by excessive heat and scarce food and water.

And institutions like the Catholic Church have made themselves the enemy of mankind because on their intransigence on reproductive rights.

Sinead O'Connor had it right.....Fight the real enemy....the Pope.

[GW in Ohio]

WE ARE........DOOMED.

You'll notice I did not say, "we are doomed."

What I said was that we've already passed the tipping points for sustainable human population. We cannot feed millions of the people who are alive today. And our overcrowded human population has been causing serious pollution and global warming problems which will further erode the arable land and water and increase the problems of starvation and disease.

And if any of you are planning to do a knee-jerk Rush Limbaugh talking point and deny global warming and therefore deny that any problems with overpopulation and pollution exist, I'll tell you in advance that even if we remove global warming from the equation, we still have to deal with the problems caused by pollution and overpopulation.

And whoever the idiot is who said we don't have an overpopulation problem, we have an underpopulation problem, why don't you go and tell that to the millions of people who can't get enough to eat today? I'm sure they'll give you a warm reception (as they roast you).

[actsnoblemartin]

Please comment on my post, I was being serious.

You'll notice I did not say, "we are doomed."

What I said was that we've already passed the tipping points for sustainable human population. We cannot feed millions of the people who are alive today. And our overcrowded human population has been causing serious pollution and global warming problems which will further erode the arable land and water and increase the problems of starvation and disease.

And if any of you are planning to do a knee-jerk Rush Limbaugh talking point and deny global warming and therefore deny that any problems with overpopulation and pollution exist, I'll tell you in advance that even if we remove global warming from the equation, we still have to deal with the problems caused by pollution and overpopulation.

And whoever the idiot is who said we don't have an overpopulation problem, we have an underpopulation problem, why don't you go and tell that to the millions of people who can't get enough to eat today? I'm sure they'll give you a warm reception (as they roast you).

[midcan5]

I agree with the post but I think if we are smart and get away from wasting resources, population itself is not the problem but jobs may be in a world of better use of resources. Work less maybe? Consider the amount of plastic junk coming from China to a walmart near you. (full disclosure I do not shop in walmart) The plastic uses oil and resources and so much of it ends back in landfills as American do not recycle enough of it. Or our roads and cars, the interstate was a great idea but the way it was built created the mess we now find ourselves in. Europe has done so much better in these areas due to space and I think a subdued capitalism that respects the local crops and workers. But still I love our small towns and I love those road trips especially when the boys were young. If the bees go and the salmon die we will all be a lesser people, for those reasons we need to take care of land. And not drill the F out of it because we are too stupid to know we are doing the wrong thing.




A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/0...lian-labo.html