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    Default Why is no one talking about Phil Gramm's statement?

    He called the U.S. "a nation of whiners" and stated that the country is in an "emotional depression."
    I am sure McCain loves having such a loose cannon as one of his primary supporters.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,370415.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    He called the U.S. "a nation of whiners" and stated that the country is in an "emotional depression."
    I am sure McCain loves having such a loose cannon as one of his primary supporters.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,370415.story
    Actually many are:

    http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5954.html

    There's video, links, and more at site:

    Gramm, McCain and Obama

    Posted By Jonathan On July 10, 2008 @ 8:50 pm In Economics & Finance, Politics, USA | 15 Comments

    [1] Phil Gramm spoke the truth. The economy is in a slow period, but the recession that many of us (including me) anticipated has not happened. IOW, despite significant structural problems in the economy (housing meltdown, inflation, oil prices, weak dollar and other policy mistakes), the economy is holding up. This is good news.

    There is a disconnect between the real economy, which is doing OK, and the media picture of an economy about to fall into steep recession if not depression. It’s obvious what’s going on. First, the media industry is consolidating: old media businesses are failing, their employees either being laid off or worried about their jobs; new media businesses like Google are changing the fundamentals of the media industry. So there is a lot of fear and uncertainty among media people, and that uncertainty gets reflected in news reports and opinion columns.

    Second, the big media are, as usual, doing their best to get the Democrat elected. This means that the economy is going to be terrible until the election, after which we will (assuming the Democrats win big) experience a remarkable recovery due to the farsighted policies of President Obama and the Democratic Congress.

    Gramm was merely pointing out what was already obvious to serious observers. Maybe, for tactical political reasons, he shouldn’t have been as blunt as he was in the Washington Times interview, but that’s hindsight. The problem is that McCain immediately disassociated himself from Gramm in a way that weakens his campaign. Gramm, a former economics professor, is known for having a clue about economics. Indeed he was brought into McCain’s campaign to compensate for the candidate’s widely acknowledged weakness in this area. McCain’s hasty disavowal of Gramm therefore looked like a political panic. He was behaving like the old McCain, whose primary loyalty often appeared to be to the media and Democratic opinion. The media and Democrats decry what they see as a disastrous economy, therefore McCain could not allow Gramm’s reasonable statements to stand. He didn’t even try to spin them but flatly disavowed them. This was McCain at his worst.

    The Gramm incident also showed Obama at his worst.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11658.html

    http://lonestartimes.com/2008/07/10/...ramm-is-right/


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    I guess he should of said he'd like to cut someones nuts off..
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Senator Gramm is right.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    On economic policy, Phil Gramm is right on. McCain would be wise to listen to him instead of disavowing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Senator Gramm is right.

    Of course he's right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    He called the U.S. "a nation of whiners" and stated that the country is in an "emotional depression."
    I am sure McCain loves having such a loose cannon as one of his primary supporters.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,370415.story
    Everyone knows Gramm is an idiot.
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    Phil is right, The US is becoming a nation of whiners. It is sad to see so many people expecting the government to take care of their needs, wants, desires, and problems


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Everyone knows Gramm is an idiot.
    He seems quite smart to me. Which means you are either uninformed or just lying because obviously everyone doesn't know that Gramm is an idiot.
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    Libs may not like this poll (yes I understand it was a web poll guys)


    Time.com Web Poll: Why, Yes, We Are a Nation of Whiners
    By Ken Shepherd (Bio | Archive)
    July 11, 2008 - 12:54 ET

    Yes, it's unscientific and it is a Web poll, so it should be taken with a grain of salt, but a Time.com survey today finds 61 percent of respondents think that, yes, America is a nation of whiners.

    The screen grab at right was taken shortly before 12:45 p.m. EDT. Around 12:30, when I first saw the poll, the numbers were similar: 60-40.

    Here's how the question was worded: "As Phil Gramm suggests, is America a 'nation of whiners'?"

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-she...nation-whiners


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    because you're a whiner gabs, and youre suffering a mental thread

    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    He called the U.S. "a nation of whiners" and stated that the country is in an "emotional depression."
    I am sure McCain loves having such a loose cannon as one of his primary supporters.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,370415.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    I guess he should of said he'd like to cut someones nuts off..
    The point is that everyone's so partisan that nobody ever acknowledges the fact that this stuff is coming from both sides.
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    but the question is, who is more evil

    cause were all supposed to vote for the lesser of two evils?



    and does the evil of democrats get a pass because republicans arent perfects, and does the evil of republicans get a pass because democrats arent perfect, or is evil just evil

    You are completely right about partisanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    The point is that everyone's so partisan that nobody ever acknowledges the fact that this stuff is coming from both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    Here's how the question was worded: "As Phil Gramm suggests, is America a 'nation of whiners'?"

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-she...nation-whiners
    No, we are not a nation of whiners.

    We are a nation where most people work pretty hard, enjoy pretty good success with a few mistakes and bad-luck incidents sprinkled through their lives, and do not do the kind of whining Gramm refers to....

    ...plus a statistical minority who don't work so hard, and so get whacked a lot harder by the mistakes and bad luck they have, and whine to the high heaven begging for Government to take over and shield them from the problems and trials of life.....

    ...plus an even smaller number who work hard but have a disproportionate number of mistakes and bad luck, and so wind up having very tough time, often through little fault of their own. Of these, some change their ways, accept the charity of frinds, neighbors, church etc., and eventually work their way back into relative prosperity; while others remain downtrodden, poor, and often overworked.

    That's life, and the result of life. And no one has EVER found a way to change these results... except by restricting and taxing the first group more and more so that many of its members wind up in the third group, while paying some of the third group enough to boost a few of them into the first group... and paying large numbers of the second group which has NO effect of getting them out of that group. Net result: First group (the well off) gets smaller, third group has overall increase, second group remains the same, both in size and in news coverage.

    No, we are not a nation of whiners. But we are a nation where a few whiners get much more media coverage than the much larger group of non-whiners, and so we LOOK like a nation of whiners to people who look at the headline on the front page rather than looking at the nation itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    He called the U.S. "a nation of whiners" and stated that the country is in an "emotional depression."
    I am sure McCain loves having such a loose cannon as one of his primary supporters.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,370415.story
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