Libertarianism. Anyone! Let's go!

[5stringJeff]

How about the anti-libertarian tendencies of the "Libertarian" Party? As opposed to, say, Dejacque or Kropotkin?

Such as?

[emmett]

crickets chirping.................................

[Psychoblues]

If you missed the reference by aggie then you probably would not appreciate the explanation either. Crickets chirping indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Psychoblues

[Agnapostate]

Such as?

Sorry, didn't see this before. The most obvious example would be the Libertarian Party's unmitigated support for the authoritarian institutions that evolve through the unchecked establishment of capitalism (since "free markets" are a textbook fantasy), as well as a cult-like obsession with the Austrian school of economics and the general inadequacy of the Misesian approach. This is obviously a distressing perversion of legitimate libertarianism (originally formed by anarcho-socialists), and serves to effectively "unite contradiction."

[AFbombloader]

Martin, I am as hard core a Libertarian as it gets and YES.......I disagree with a few points on the platform. What I do believe in stringer than other issue in any platform, is total liberty. Complete freedom to do what I want, when I want, with absolutely NO government intrusion.

I don't want my property taken to build a mall.

I want to keep as much of my CASH in MY pocket as I want.

I don't want my bank account snooped in.

I want to be equal with ALL Americans, I also want to pay the exact same tax as EVERYONE else.

I want child molesters to fill our prison cells, not marijuana smokers.

I do not want to be randomly stopped and searched for ANY reason.....EVER!

I do not want a social security number......I have a name. With flat tax I won't need one for there will be no reason for the government to keep up with me.

I don't want to register my guns and if someone breaks in my house, I'm going to kill them. I don't think it is fair to prosecute someone for this.

I want to be responsible for myself, my children and grandchildren. I want to make the decisions that are important in their lives, NOT GOVERNMENT! If I choose to spank my child, it is none of their damn business.

I want to be responsible for my families education. I can teach them myself better than the damn government with their system of penalizing smart kids to make them wait on "challanged or neglected" ones.





These are alot of good reasons to be a Libertarian. I don't have to agree with Abortion (which I do not), open homosexuality (which I don't). However in order to acheive COMPLETE liberty, I have to be tolerant. That is the only way.


VOTE LIBARTARIAN! Patrick Henry did, 200 years before there was a LIbertarian Party.

I have been leaning this way for a while now, and you are responsible for a lot of the education I have already had. You and Glenn Beck made me look into this party and realize I am more in line with it than any other. While I don't agree with everything on the platform, I never will with any party. Right now I don't consider myself any party, but I am leaning. I will just call myself a constitutional conservative, with libertarian tendencies.

AF

[5stringJeff]

Sorry, didn't see this before. The most obvious example would be the Libertarian Party's unmitigated support for the authoritarian institutions that evolve through the unchecked establishment of capitalism (since "free markets" are a textbook fantasy), as well as a cult-like obsession with the Austrian school of economics and the general inadequacy of the Misesian approach. This is obviously a distressing perversion of legitimate libertarianism (originally formed by anarcho-socialists), and serves to effectively "unite contradiction."

Exactly which authoritarian institutions evolve when the market is left to its own devices? If a government enforces the rule of law, contract law, etc., and the playing field is level for all players, what is there to complain about?

As far as Austrian economics goes, I think it does an excellent job of explaining behavior - the "social" part of the "social science" of economics.

I would agree that free markets are not anarcho-socialist in nature, but then, I would argue that because anarcho-socialism denies the right to property, it denies its subjects the freedom to own and produce as they best see fit.

[Psychoblues]

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[emmett]

I have been leaning this way for a while now, and you are responsible for a lot of the education I have already had. You and Glenn Beck made me look into this party and realize I am more in line with it than any other. While I don't agree with everything on the platform, I never will with any party. Right now I don't consider myself any party, but I am leaning. I will just call myself a constitutional conservative, with libertarian tendencies.

AF

Well thank you sir for your kind words. Just merely being mentioned with a great thinker like Glenn Beck in the same sentence is an honor. I would recommend you keep an eye for posts by 5StringJeff as he is way more apt to put things in prospective that is retainable than I.

Libertarians are people who care very deeply about the core values of social and economic freedom in America. They are very dedicated people. While as diverse as any group they have continuity that stems from one very basic interest......freedom for ALL Americans. I've met many civil warriors who are tireless in their effort to restore true freedom to our way of life and will never give up no matter what the voting blocks, polls and newspapers say. People I am so proud to be associated with I could never fiond the words to describe.

Keep at it AFBL, you'll get on that no fly list yet brother!

[Psychoblues]

Uh, emmie............

Well thank you sir for your kind words. Just merely being mentioned with a great thinker like Glenn Beck in the same sentence is an honor. I would recommend you keep an eye for posts by 5StringJeff as he is way more apt to put things in prospective that is retainable than I.

Libertarians are people who care very deeply about the core values of social and economic freedom in America. They are very dedicated people. While as diverse as any group they have continuity that stems from one very basic interest......freedom for ALL Americans. I've met many civil warriors who are tireless in their effort to restore true freedom to our way of life and will never give up no matter what the voting blocks, polls and newspapers say. People I am so proud to be associated with I could never fiond the words to describe.

Keep at it AFBL, you'll get on that no fly list yet brother!

Think you might want to read some of that over again?!?!??!?!?!??!!???!

I already know you're dense but surely you aren't that dumb?!?!?!??!???!??!?!?



Psychoblues

[crin63]

Well thank you sir for your kind words. Just merely being mentioned with a great thinker like Glenn Beck in the same sentence is an honor. I would recommend you keep an eye for posts by 5StringJeff as he is way more apt to put things in prospective that is retainable than I.

Libertarians are people who care very deeply about the core values of social and economic freedom in America. They are very dedicated people. While as diverse as any group they have continuity that stems from one very basic interest......freedom for ALL Americans. I've met many civil warriors who are tireless in their effort to restore true freedom to our way of life and will never give up no matter what the voting blocks, polls and newspapers say. People I am so proud to be associated with I could never fiond the words to describe.

Keep at it AFBL, you'll get on that no fly list yet brother!

Well said my friend!!! I have become quite a fan of Glenn Beck myself in recent weeks.

Beck/Nugent 2012

[emmett]

Uh, emmie............





Think you might want to read some of that over again?!?!??!?!?!??!!???!

I already know you're dense but surely you aren't that dumb?!?!?!??!???!??!?!?



Psychoblues

Hey Davey Boy...... go play somewhere else, we've reached a point where no one is really interested in anything you have to say

[Psychoblues]

Can I quote you on that, emmie?

Hey Davey Boy...... go play somewhere else, we've reached a point where no one is really interested in anything you have to say

You have been discussing me and my attitudes and your intention not to address me for weeks now. What is your problem? Without question even since your horseshit attitude the conversation continues. If you don't want to be a part of it that is only your desicision. Has anyone told you lately that you really suck and you absolutely come across as the liar that you really are?

emmie,,,,,,,,,,,,you are such a freakin' freshman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wut you gonna do now, cowgirl? Neg rep me? That's the general response in these more frank conversations with the idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Psychoblues

[DragonStryk72]

I fully agree.

However, I worked my *ss off for the Libertarian party for about seven years back in the 1980s. We got zero, zilch, nada of our members elected (OK, a few lower govt seats, BFD) and were able to forward NONE of our agenda.

I finally concluded that while the agenda and ideals of the Libertarian party were far superior to any other party's (despite some kookiness on the issue of how to remedy present Constitutional violations), I was pouring my efforts down a rat hole with no chance of seeing ANY of those ideals enacted. So I decided to work instead for a party that would get at least some of them enacted. And the Republicans did enact some of them (tax cuts, diminished Federal presence, some Constitutional adherence, increasing roles for state govts, strong national defense).

That "some" has been dwindling over the last decade or so, and has even been heading the other way, though not nearly as fast as the other major U.S. party has. So I may be leaving that party soon - again, I have no interest in pouring my efforts down a rat hole. I'll try to find another party that (a) supports my desires for conservatism, prosperity, afreedom, and responsibility, and (b) has Clue 1 on how to actually get it enacted into law. At present, Point (b) still cuts out the Libertarian party.

The problem is that any change is going to require years of work, because those two bigs parties that have been getting elected in droves have spent all their time and money convincing you and others that they are really the only game in town. Look at it, you only have two things go on in our government: 1. Dem/Rep puts out bill, and then 2. opposing party decries, even if it were something they would have been in favor of 10 years ago.

They're both full of shit, and now, they can't have a 3rd party come in and propose something other than an a or b answer, because then they would have to actually think about what they are doing.

[emmett]

Can I quote you on that, emmie?




You have been discussing me and my attitudes and your intention not to address me for weeks now. What is your problem? Without question even since your horseshit attitude the conversation continues. If you don't want to be a part of it that is only your desicision. Has anyone told you lately that you really suck and you absolutely come across as the liar that you really are?

emmie,,,,,,,,,,,,you are such a freakin' freshman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wut you gonna do now, cowgirl? Neg rep me? That's the general response in these more frank conversations with the idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Psychoblues

I don't neg rep David or you would surely know it.

No, no one except you has told me how bad I suck or lie lately....except you.

[Kathianne]

I don't neg rep David or you would surely know it.

No, no one except you has told me how bad I suck or lie lately....except you.

But I will, because he sucks and lies.