Despite Success Obama Would Still Oppose Surge

[red states rule]

The messiah did not expect the surge to work. Like most Dems he thought the war was lost

Obama Told ABC’s Terry Moran That, Despite The Progress That Has Occurred In Iraq, He Would Not Have Supported The Surge. Moran: “‘[T]he surge of U.S. troops, combined with ordinary Iraqis’ rejection of both al Qaeda and Shiite extremists have transformed the country. Attacks are down more than 80% nationwide. U.S. combat casualties have plummeted, five this month so far, compared with 78 last July, and Baghdad has a pulse again.’ If you had to do it over again, knowing what you know now, would you — would you support the surge?” Obama: “No, because — keep in mind that -” Moran: “You wouldn’t?” Obama: “Well, no, keep — these kinds of hypotheticals are very difficult . Hindsight is 20/20. I think what I am absolutely convinced of is that at that time, we had to change the political debate, because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one that I just disagreed with.” Moran: “And so, when pressed, Barack Obama says he still would have opposed the surge.”

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/07...support-surge/


Like other Dems, the messiah did not give the US troops the huge amount of credit they deserve. Seems the messiah is having a very hard time digesting his crow

[Gaffer]

He gives credit to the sunni's and shia militia and claims their enlightenment happened at the same time as the surge. Their enlightenment came because of the surge, it would not have happened without the surge. If it wasn't so serious this would be really hilarious. A regular comedy skit.

[red states rule]

He gives credit to the sunni's and shia militia and claims their enlightenment happened at the same time as the surge. Their enlightenment came because of the surge, it would not have happened without the surge. If it wasn't so serious this would be really hilarious. A regular comedy skit.

It must really gall the Dems to see how they blew it on this one.

[retiredman]

He gives credit to the sunni's and shia militia and claims their enlightenment happened at the same time as the surge. Their enlightenment came because of the surge, it would not have happened without the surge. If it wasn't so serious this would be really hilarious. A regular comedy skit.

prove the causation.

[red states rule]

prove the causation.

In an interview with ABC's Terry Moran, Obama said that he "did not anticipate, and I think that this is a fair characterization, the convergence of not only the surge but the Sunni awakening in which a whole host of Sunni tribal leaders decided that they had had enough with Al Qaeda, in the Shii’a community the militias standing down to some degrees. So what you had is a combination of political factors inside of Iraq that then came right at the same time as terrific work by our troops. Had those political factors not occurred, I think that my assessment would have been correct."

[Yurt]

prove the causation.

why don't you prove the surge didn't cause the change of heart as you suggest.

[red states rule]

why don't you prove the surge didn't cause the change of heart as you suggest.

Obama and his supoorters cant admit they were wrong about the surge and how successful it would be

They were playing politics plain and simple. For years Dems screamed how more troops were needed in Iraq, and how the war was being mishandled

But the split second pres Bush finally gave in and said he was sending more troops - Dems were all of a sudden opposed

Some like Harry Reid said the war was lost before the surge even began

[retiredman]

why don't you prove the surge didn't cause the change of heart as you suggest.

He made the claim...let HIM prove it.

[Gaffer]

prove the causation.

I don't have too.

[red states rule]

I don't have too.

Post 20 covers it rather well.

[retiredman]

I don't have too.

you can't.

[retiredman]

Post 20 covers it rather well.

no it doesn't. post 20 shows NO causation. try again.

[red states rule]

no it doesn't. post 20 shows NO causation. try again.

It shows the messiah believes the troops had little effect and the surge was not the reason for the success

Like most Dems, he refuses to credit the troops for their fine work. As Gaffer said, to the messiah the enlightenment came because of the surge, it would not have happened without the surge

[retiredman]

It shows the messiah believes the troops had little effect and the surge was not the reason for the success

Like most Dems, he refuses to credit the troops for their fine work. As Gaffer said, to the messiah the enlightenment came because of the surge, it would not have happened without the surge

if you stand with gaffer's assertion, then prove the causation. I see no reason why the sunni enlightenment AND the shiite ceasefire could not have been independent events unrelated to the surge. your saying there is causation means little to me.... just another of your opinions

[red states rule]

if you stand with gaffer's assertion, then prove the causation. I see no reason why the sunni enlightenment AND the shiite ceasefire could not have been independent events unrelated to the surge. your saying there is causation means little to me.... just another of your opinions

Like most of the messiah's followers, truth is a menace - and facts are an enemy

His own words show how he feels - you choose to ignore them like a good little liberal