Despite Success Obama Would Still Oppose Surge

[retiredman]

Like most of the messiah's followers, truth is a menace - and facts are an enemy

His own words show how he feels - you choose to ignore them like a good little liberal

you have no facts. three things occured: sunnis rose up against AQ in Anbar... shiites agreed to a ceasefire.... Americans increased troop levels. you have NO facts that show those three are related in any way, let alone that the latter caused the former two to happen.

now be a big boy and prove your assertions or admit that they are nothing but your opinions....

the opinions of a man who still thinks that AQ and Iran are working together and have a plan to rule Iraq against the will of the Iraqi people.

your opinions are notoriously goofy.

[red states rule]

you have no facts. three things occured: sunnis rose up against AQ in Anbar... shiites agreed to a ceasefire.... Americans increased troop levels. you have NO facts that show those three are related in any way, let alone that the latter caused the former two to happen.

now be a big boy and prove your assertions or admit that they are nothing but your opinions....

the opinions of a man who still thinks that AQ and Iran are working together and have a plan to rule Iraq against the will of the Iraqi people.

your opinions are notoriously goofy.

Here is one example. Us forces and Iraqi forces working together to wipe out AQ pigs

This never would have happened if you and the messiah would have had their way


Operation Lion's Roar nets more than 1,000 suspects
By Bill RoggioMay 16, 2008 9:47 PM

With the Mahdi Army subdued in Basrah and a cease-fire under way with the Sadrist movement in Sadr City in Baghdad, the focus of the Iraqi government has shifted to the northern city of Mosul, where al Qaeda maintains its last urban stronghold. On May 10, the Iraqi security forces launched Operation Lion's Roar in an effort to roll back al Qaeda and allied Sunni insurgent groups.

Al Qaeda in Iraq's last major ratline into Syria spans westward from Mosul into Tal Afar and the crossing point at Sinjar. The terror group is waging a brutal campaign to prevent the Iraqi Army and US forces from securing the province and to keep their supply lines to Syria open.

The Iraqi security forces started the operation by declaring a curfew in the province and conducting operations to round up wanted terrorists. In the six days since the operation began, Iraqi forces detained 1,068 suspects, according to General Riyadh Jalal Tawfiq, the commander of the Ninewa Operational Command.

Of those captured, "just under 200" Tier 1 and Tier 2 al Qaeda and Islamic State of Iraq operatives have been detained, said Major General Mark Hertling, the commander of Multinational Division North said during a briefing on May 15.

"There have been some very big fishes caught," Hertling said. Tier 1 operatives are operational leaders. Tier 2 operatives are foreign fighters or weapons facilitators, bomb makers, and cell leaders.

US and Iraqi forces have killed or captured several key al Qaeda leaders in Mosul over the past several months. Fourteen of the top 30 al Qaeda operatives who have been killed or captured in the past three months were al Qaeda leaders in Mosul, including three al Qaeda leaders from Saudi Arabia.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...lions_roar.php

[retiredman]

Here is one example. Us forces and Iraqi forces working together to wipe out AQ pigs

This never would have happened if you and the messiah would have had their way


Operation Lion's Roar nets more than 1,000 suspects
By Bill RoggioMay 16, 2008 9:47 PM

With the Mahdi Army subdued in Basrah and a cease-fire under way with the Sadrist movement in Sadr City in Baghdad, the focus of the Iraqi government has shifted to the northern city of Mosul, where al Qaeda maintains its last urban stronghold. On May 10, the Iraqi security forces launched Operation Lion's Roar in an effort to roll back al Qaeda and allied Sunni insurgent groups.

Al Qaeda in Iraq's last major ratline into Syria spans westward from Mosul into Tal Afar and the crossing point at Sinjar. The terror group is waging a brutal campaign to prevent the Iraqi Army and US forces from securing the province and to keep their supply lines to Syria open.

The Iraqi security forces started the operation by declaring a curfew in the province and conducting operations to round up wanted terrorists. In the six days since the operation began, Iraqi forces detained 1,068 suspects, according to General Riyadh Jalal Tawfiq, the commander of the Ninewa Operational Command.

Of those captured, "just under 200" Tier 1 and Tier 2 al Qaeda and Islamic State of Iraq operatives have been detained, said Major General Mark Hertling, the commander of Multinational Division North said during a briefing on May 15.

"There have been some very big fishes caught," Hertling said. Tier 1 operatives are operational leaders. Tier 2 operatives are foreign fighters or weapons facilitators, bomb makers, and cell leaders.

US and Iraqi forces have killed or captured several key al Qaeda leaders in Mosul over the past several months. Fourteen of the top 30 al Qaeda operatives who have been killed or captured in the past three months were al Qaeda leaders in Mosul, including three al Qaeda leaders from Saudi Arabia.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...lions_roar.php

that was not a result of the SURGE.

Please show the causation that you claim: show that the sunni enlightenment and the shiite ceasefire would NOT have happened if we had not SURGED more troops into Iraq.

[red states rule]

that was not a result of the SURGE.

Please show the causation that you claim: show that the sunni enlightenment and the shiite ceasefire would NOT have happened if we had not SURGED more troops into Iraq.

Yes, you have stood with your party that has called them losers. To you, the surge was worthless, and the efforts of the troops were meaningless

If your messiah says the surge was not responsible for all the successes then it must be true

[retiredman]

Yes, you have stood with your party that has called them losers. To you, the surge was worthless, and the efforts of the troops were meaningless

If your messiah says the surge was not responsible for all the successes then it must be true

quit deflecting the conversation with insults. I have NEVER said our troops were losers. I think the surge was a waste of resources that would have been better utilized in Afghanistan. Our troops efforts are never meaningless. the US military ALWAYS goes and puts themselves in harm's way to carry out the foreign policy decisions of the suits in DC... sometimes those decisions are good ones, sometimes they are not. Whether the policy is a good policy or not does not change the honor and the sacrifice of service.

Now...if you can prove the causation you claim, please do so. if not, just admit it's your opinion.

[red states rule]

quit deflecting the conversation with insults. I have NEVER said our troops were losers. I think the surge was a waste of resources that would have been better utilized in Afghanistan. Our troops efforts are never meaningless. the US military ALWAYS goes and puts themselves in harm's way to carry out the foreign policy decisions of the suits in DC... sometimes those decisions are good ones, sometimes they are not. Whether the policy is a good policy or not does not change the honor and the sacrifice of service.

Now...if you can prove the causation you claim, please do so. if not, just admit it's your opinion.

Well considering you now refer to the troops as infidels, I am sure they would have a response to that insult and how YOU feel their efforts to crush AQ was a waste of time and resources

Again, thank you for your continued "support" of the troops

[retiredman]

Well considering you now refer to the troops as infidels, I am sure they would have a response to that insult and how YOU feel their efforts to crush AQ was a waste of time and resources

Again, thnak you for your continued "support" of the troops

If I were walking down the street in Baghdad, I would be an infidel. You are one too. It is not an insult to admit non-muslim status.

[red states rule]

If I were walking down the street in Baghdad, I would be an infidel. You are one too. It is not an insult to admit non-muslim status.

No you once again showed how you really feel about the troops. Much like Kerry, Durbin, Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, and most of the people in your party

Every once in awhile libs let the truth slip out - you did that that insulting post

[Gaffer]

you have no facts. three things occured: sunnis rose up against AQ in Anbar... shiites agreed to a ceasefire.... Americans increased troop levels. you have NO facts that show those three are related in any way, let alone that the latter caused the former two to happen.

now be a big boy and prove your assertions or admit that they are nothing but your opinions....

the opinions of a man who still thinks that AQ and Iran are working together and have a plan to rule Iraq against the will of the Iraqi people.

your opinions are notoriously goofy.

The facts are that US troops went into the AQ controlled areas and fought them. The sunni's, having lived under their rule saw that by allying with the US they could kick out AQ. So they did. AQ was defeated by the combined efforts of the US troops and the sunni's. Because of the surge.

The shea militia were continuing to fight and attack from sadr city and had control of basra. The iraqi army took them on in basra, having been trained by us. US troops went into sadr city with iraqi troops and routed the shea militia. Because the surge troops were there and they were able to hold what they took.

All of this allowed the iraqi government to further consolidate it's power and meet most of the benchmark goals set by our congress. It was all a result of the surge.

Our side is winning in iraq, your side is losing.

[red states rule]

The facts are that US troops went into the AQ controlled areas and fought them. The sunni's, having lived under their rule saw that by allying with the US they could kick out AQ. So they did. AQ was defeated by the combined efforts of the US troops and the sunni's. Because of the surge.

The shea militia were continuing to fight and attack from sadr city and had control of basra. The iraqi army took them on in basra, having been trained by us. US troops went into sadr city with iraqi troops and routed the shea militia. Because the surge troops were there and they were able to hold what they took.

All of this allowed the iraqi government to further consolidate it's power and meet most of the benchmark goals set by our congress. It was all a result of the surge.

Our side is winning in iraq, your side is losing.

You can see how pissed he is over losing - he now calls the troops infidels

[Yurt]

that was not a result of the SURGE.

Please show the causation that you claim: show that the sunni enlightenment and the shiite ceasefire would NOT have happened if we had not SURGED more troops into Iraq.

that is not the evidence for causation needed. fact: surge. fact: after surge terrorism goes down, shias sunni come together and finally seek peace in order to rid iraq of terrorists.

that is ample evidence that the surge "caused" that. you have no clue what you are talking about.

If I were walking down the street in Baghdad, I would be an infidel. You are one too. It is not an insult to admit non-muslim status.

unbelievable, you call yourself a christian pastor and concede islamic authority that our soldiers are infidels, how patriotic

[Yurt]

[UOTE=manfrommaine;274769] I think the surge was a waste of resources that would have been better utilized in Afghanistan.

what more is there to say to this guy? he thinks the surge, which saved lives and is widely credited, even by obama, as working to secure the peace, was a waste of resources.

Our troops efforts are never meaningless.

you just said the efforts were a waste of resources

[retiredman]

that is not the evidence for causation needed. fact: surge. fact: after surge terrorism goes down, shias sunni come together and finally seek peace in order to rid iraq of terrorists.

that is ample evidence that the surge "caused" that. you have no clue what you are talking about.



unbelievable, you call yourself a christian pastor and concede islamic authority that our soldiers are infidels, how patriotic

please provide a link to the "ample evidence" of the causation.

the last three times I wanted to play golf, it rained. My wanting to play golf did not CAUSE the rain to fall. Show this causation or quit claiming it.

Our soldiers, by and large, do not practice the muslim faith. In an arab islamic nation, that makes them infidels. Again... the word does not have a pejorative connotation.... strictly a religious one.

[red states rule]

please provide a link to the "ample evidence" of the causation.

the last three times I wanted to play golf, it rained. My wanting to play golf did not CAUSE the rain to fall. Show this causation or quit claiming it.

Our soldiers, by and large, do not practice the muslim faith. In an arab islamic nation, that makes them infidels. Again... the word does not have a pejorative connotation.... strictly a religious one.

I always knew you sold your soul to your party, but to insult and slime the troops like that - you are pathetic

[Yurt]

please provide a link to the "ample evidence" of the causation.

the last three times I wanted to play golf, it rained. My wanting to play golf did not CAUSE the rain to fall. Show this causation or quit claiming it.

Our soldiers, by and large, do not practice the muslim faith. In an arab islamic nation, that makes them infidels. Again... the word does not have a pejorative connotation.... strictly a religious one.

bull, i have talked with many muslims who use the term as an insult and other muslims continually try to get them to stop, fact is, infidel is used and a slur to non muslims, but you should know that given you "personal experience."

regardless, maybe if we were in a satan nation and satanist called christians "godless pukes", you would agree that we are godless pukes...who cares what they say

why did obama take away his criticism of the surge from his website....hmmmmm