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    Default the democratic platform

    Lets please have a serious discussion about it, instead of just one-word insults, atleast explain why you feel the way you about the platform, and lets discuss the individual points of the platform in a respectful, civil-manner, like adults

    thank you

    to show, im not being biased, i simply into google, 2008 democratic party platform, and here is the link.

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=200...&ei=UTF-8&vm=r

    The second soure is The DNC Website itself

    http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/the_2004_democr.php

    I will read, then post the democratic platform of 2004, since the 2008 is not out yet.

    Please be patient for my opinions to the platform, in the meantime, feel free to talk amongst yourselves

    on a side note this is a good non-partisan website

    http://www.politics1.com/

    http://www.politics1.com/about.htm

    Founded in 1997, Politics1 is published as a non-partisan public service to promote fully informed decision-making by the American electorate. Our traffic statistics show that Politics1 continues to be one of the most popular political sites on the net. According to the WebTrends traffic report (as of the period ending July 22, 2006), Politics1 is currently recording over 480,000 unique user sessions, 927,000 page views, and 13.5 million hits per month.

    http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf
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    Who gives a fuck, its almost the same as the Repub platform, feed corporations, fuck the little guy in the ass and send this country down the shitter, not that its already there.

    Does your defective mind allow you to understand this Ray?

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    I think the party platform is not going to give me the answers i need, let me try what we stand for instead. I apologize for any incovience.

    http://www.democrats.org/a/party/stand.html

    http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html

    http://www.democrats.org/legislation.html

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    Here are the six things the democrats stand for according to their own website, and what they claim they are doing towards accomplishing these goals, I will talk specifically about whether i think they have met these goals later

    I believe, if youre going to discuss, whether to support democrats, whether you agree or disagree with them, these links, will provide the best answers because it seems, these are the foundation to the policies they want to create. I havent rendered a judgment as to whether i agree with their approach or not, but i want to give a fair chance in this thread.

    issue #1 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/honest_government/

    issue #2 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/real_security/

    issue #3 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/...onment/energy/

    issue #4 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/economic_growth/

    issue #5 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/...e_health_care/

    issue #6 http://www.democrats.org/a/national/secure_retirement/

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    Have Repubs or conservatives met any goals according to their platform Ray?

    Why don't you discuss that shit too and quit being such a one sided twit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    I think the party platform is not going to give me the answers i need, let me try what we stand for instead. I apologize for any incovience.

    http://www.democrats.org/a/party/stand.html

    http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html

    http://www.democrats.org/legislation.html
    The 2008 demodrat platform will be put together at the dnc convention. For people like mfm to say they are for the platform is incorrect as it hasn't been written yet. He can only be for what he expects them to put in the platform. obamanation is writing it as he goes along. Besides selecting a candidate the convention also votes on a platform.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

    You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    The 2008 demodrat platform will be put together at the dnc convention. For people like mfm to say they are for the platform is incorrect as it hasn't been written yet. He can only be for what he expects them to put in the platform. obamanation is writing it as he goes along. Besides selecting a candidate the convention also votes on a platform.
    you are quite right... and when and if the democratic party platform ceases to encapsulate the vast majority of my personal political beliefs, I will stop being a registered democrat.

    the democratic party platform has addressed the same basic issues for several years, and given my work on my local county committee, all indications are that the 2008 version will follow suit.

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    party over country, boooring
    Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. ~Zen Buddhist Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    party over country, boooring

    quit gratuitously insulting me.

    country over party. If my party quits pursuing what is in the best interests of my country, I will quit my party.

    As long as my party DOES pursue what I feel is in the best interests of my country, and as long as we are a two party system with power entrenched in those two parties, then my support of MY party IS my way of promoting what I think is best for MY country.

    you are being, I think, purposely myopic about that. I do not, however, rule out the possibility that, rather than merely being obstinate for the sake of being argumentative, you might very well be too fucking dumb to understand that basic political truism. Time will tell, I guess, which option is more close to the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    quit gratuitously insulting me.

    country over party. If my party quits pursuing what is in the best interests of my country, I will quit my party.

    As long as my party DOES pursue what I feel is in the best interests of my country, and as long as we are a two party system with power entrenched in those two parties, then my support of MY party IS my way of promoting what I think is best for MY country.

    you are being, I think, purposely myopic about that. I do not, however, rule out the possibility that, rather than merely being obstinate for the sake of being argumentative, you might very well be too fucking dumb to understand that basic political truism. Time will tell, I guess, which option is more close to the truth.
    It is more like the party pursues the best interests of the party - the country is a mere after thought

    Just like you


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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    It is more like the party pursues the best interests of the party - the country is a mere after thought

    Just like you
    that is wrong. the party can't succeed in pushing forth its platform if it cannot convince a majority of Americans that it is the right way to go.

    YOU DO understand how politics works, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    that is wrong. the party can't succeed in pushing forth its platform if it cannot convince a majority of Americans that it is the right way to go.

    YOU DO understand how politics works, don't you?


    How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

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    I have noticed lately that your normally paltry ability to carry on a debate has degraded to the point where you really only seem capable of posting cartoons. I shudder to consider what might be behind that degradation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I have noticed lately that your normally paltry ability to carry on a debate has degraded to the point where you really only seem capable of posting cartoons. I shudder to consider what might be behind that degradation.
    They may be cartoons to you - but they are factual. Your party sems to think they can tax and spend America into prosperity.

    Then again so did Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry,a nd now Obama


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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    They may be cartoons to you - but they are factual. Your party sems to think they can tax and spend America into prosperity.

    Then again so did Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry,a nd now Obama
    cartoons cannot, by definition be FACTUAL.

    moron.


    you can't debate your way out of wet paper bag. and it seems to be getting worse. I hope it is not related to your medical problems.

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