Jews 'partly responsible' for their troubles: Churchill

[LiberalNation]

Wonder why this is only now being published.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070311...6TZffR6GJvaA8F

LONDON (AFP) - The Second World War prime minister Winston Churchill argued that Jews were "partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer" in an article publicised for the first time Sunday.

Churchill made the claim in an article entitled "How The Jews Can Combat Persecution" written in 1937, three years before he started leading the country.

He outlined a new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping across Europe and the United States, which was followed by the deaths of millions of Jews in the Holocaust under the German Nazi regime.

"It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors, but that does not fit all the facts," the article read.

"It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States, where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law and where large numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity.

"These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

"For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution -- that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer."

The article adds: "The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different'.

"He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."

Elsewhere, Churchill praised Jews as "sober, industrious, law-abiding" and urged Britons to stand up for the race against persecution.

"There is no virtue in a tame acquiescence in evil. To protest against cruelty and wrong, and to strive to end them, is the mark of a man," he wrote.

The article was discovered by Cambridge University historian Richard Toye in the university's archive of Churchill's papers.

At the time, Churchill's secretary advised him it would be "inadvisable" to publish it and it never saw the light of day.

Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held by the BBC in 2002.

[CSM]

Wonder why this is only now being published.

Guess you didn't read the whole thing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070311...6TZffR6GJvaA8F

LONDON (AFP) - The Second World War prime minister Winston Churchill argued that Jews were "partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer" in an article publicised for the first time Sunday.

Churchill made the claim in an article entitled "How The Jews Can Combat Persecution" written in 1937, three years before he started leading the country.

He outlined a new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping across Europe and the United States, which was followed by the deaths of millions of Jews in the Holocaust under the German Nazi regime.

"It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors, but that does not fit all the facts," the article read.

"It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States, where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law and where large numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity.

"These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

"For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution -- that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer."

The article adds: "The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different'.

"He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."

Elsewhere, Churchill praised Jews as "sober, industrious, law-abiding" and urged Britons to stand up for the race against persecution.

"There is no virtue in a tame acquiescence in evil. To protest against cruelty and wrong, and to strive to end them, is the mark of a man," he wrote.

The article was discovered by Cambridge University historian Richard Toye in the university's archive of Churchill's papers.

At the time, Churchill's secretary advised him it would be "inadvisable" to publish it and it never saw the light of day.

Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held by the BBC in 2002.

His secretary advised him not to publish it, he does not and now some asshat is trying to use it to make some point. I love politics!

[KarlMarx]

So, basically, Winston Churchill said that Jews found opportunity regardless of where they went. They accomplished said opportunity and success by hard work and diligence.

Whenever you're successful, others become envious or jealous.

That is essentially what Sir Winston Churchill meant.

We see it today, also. The Israelis have one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East, they also offer democracy to their citizens. For this, the Arabs hate them, and will always hate them. That's because the Arabs haven't made any significant accomplishments since the 13th century.

The apologists for the Arabs and their savagery towards the Jews call the success of the Jews "unfair". But what is unfair about reaping the benefits of your hard work?

[Dilloduck]

So, basically, Winston Churchill said that Jews found opportunity regardless of where they went. They accomplished said opportunity and success by hard work and diligence.

Whenever you're successful, others become envious or jealous.

That is essentially what Sir Winston Churchill meant.

We see it today, also. The Israelis have one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East, they also offer democracy to their citizens. For this, the Arabs hate them, and will always hate them. That's because the Arabs haven't made any significant accomplishments since the 13th century.

The apologists for the Arabs and their savagery towards the Jews call the success of the Jews "unfair". But what is unfair about reaping the benefits of your hard work?

I think it's the refusal to be absorbed.

[5stringJeff]

Where's RWA when you need him?

[mundame]

I think it's the refusal to be absorbed.

Very likely that's part of it, and that issue is with us today with other population groups that refuse to assimilate.

Envy is another real factor -- German Jews were VERY well off relative to most Germans, mostly professional people.

A third factor Ferguson (War of the World) is writing about now is rapid change, namely increase and penetration of the society: Jews were in-migrating strongly into Germany in the 1920s from Poland and Russia, and intermarriage had GREATLY increased.


There may have also been a problem with the sex industry (characterized at the time as "white slavery"). Jews were accused in Germany and Austria of running it disproportionately: I do not know if that was true, but I am trying to find out from the histories of the era.

[Hugh Lincoln]

So, basically, Winston Churchill said that Jews found opportunity regardless of where they went. They accomplished said opportunity and success by hard work and diligence.

Whenever you're successful, others become envious or jealous.

That is essentially what Sir Winston Churchill meant.

We see it today, also. The Israelis have one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East, they also offer democracy to their citizens. For this, the Arabs hate them, and will always hate them. That's because the Arabs haven't made any significant accomplishments since the 13th century.

The apologists for the Arabs and their savagery towards the Jews call the success of the Jews "unfair". But what is unfair about reaping the benefits of your hard work?

You know, several years ago, I was right here. The Jews are hated because they're smart and clever and successful. Sure, to some extent. But KM, I hope you'll go beyond this and see that for white gentiles, it's this, and more. As framed by the Jews, when we're successful, it's because we're "capitalist oppressors" and "racists." When THEY are successful, it's because they're smart.

Ahem. Have you EVER heard a Jew defend white success on grounds that... we earned it?

Even partly?

MEANWHILE!

When whites suffer, if they do at all, it's by their own hand.

When Jews suffer, it's because others are irrationally anti-Semitic.

BULLSHIT!

Jews can't have it both ways. But they do. 'Cause they're Jews. Yet another reason to be wary of this curious people.

[KarlMarx]

You know, several years ago, I was right here. The Jews are hated because they're smart and clever and successful. Sure, to some extent. But KM, I hope you'll go beyond this and see that for white gentiles, it's this, and more. As framed by the Jews, when we're successful, it's because we're "capitalist oppressors" and "racists." When THEY are successful, it's because they're smart.

Ahem. Have you EVER heard a Jew defend white success on grounds that... we earned it?

Even partly?

MEANWHILE!

When whites suffer, if they do at all, it's by their own hand.

When Jews suffer, it's because others are irrationally anti-Semitic.

BULLSHIT!

Jews can't have it both ways. But they do. 'Cause they're Jews. Yet another reason to be wary of this curious people.

You make it seem as if the Jews are creatures from another galaxy who landed here on earth in their menorah shaped spacecraft and are bent on world domination.

If the Jews ran the world, why do cheeseburgers and ham exist? If they really ran the world, we'd all be eating potato pancakes and drinking seltzer.

I'll anticipate your answer, Jews are in love with money... right. Well, I have news for you, so is everyone else and just as much as Jews.

I'll give you a good example. You didn't think Anna Nicole Smith, the ex-stripper turned millionaire married that old coot because she had a thing for geriatric guys do you? And her string of lovers aren't fighting over her baby because they suddenly feel an over powering urge to be parents, do you?

Of course not. When it comes to money, everyone is of the same religion (I'd like to take credit for that aphorism, but Voltaire beat me to it).

I know a few Jewish people. They worry about their kids, complain about high gas prices and the weather, root for the home team and are at war with the crabgrass on their lawns .... just like the rest of us.

The problems of the world are mostly caused by stupidity not conspiracy. Stupidity is responsible for more evil in this world than malice.

[Hugh Lincoln]

You make it seem as if the Jews are creatures from another galaxy who landed here on earth in their menorah shaped spacecraft and are bent on world domination.

If the Jews ran the world, why do cheeseburgers and ham exist? If they really ran the world, we'd all be eating potato pancakes and drinking seltzer.

I'll anticipate your answer, Jews are in love with money... right. Well, I have news for you, so is everyone else and just as much as Jews.

I'll give you a good example. You didn't think Anna Nicole Smith, the ex-stripper turned millionaire married that old coot because she had a thing for geriatric guys do you? And her string of lovers aren't fighting over her baby because they suddenly feel an over powering urge to be parents, do you?

Of course not. When it comes to money, everyone is of the same religion (I'd like to take credit for that aphorism, but Voltaire beat me to it).

I know a few Jewish people. They worry about their kids, complain about high gas prices and the weather, root for the home team and are at war with the crabgrass on their lawns .... just like the rest of us.

The problems of the world are mostly caused by stupidity not conspiracy. Stupidity is responsible for more evil in this world than malice.

You're resorting to weak arguments, and setting up ones I don't make. Nobody has ever said that "Jews run the world," but anyone pointing to disproportionate control is often dealt with by being tagged thusly. I wouldn't say "all liberals are child molesters," but in general, I oppose their policies, and that's legitmate.

Jewish "love of money" isn't really quite my objection, it's their love of power and control over the gentile societies in which they live. Here in the U.S., they demonstrate that power through turning our domestic policy liberal and our foreign policy pro-Israel.

Jews are a competitive group, and their actions do not often mean a better life for us as white gentiles. This competition's been going on for centuries. My hope is that white gentiles wake up to what's going on. Presently, we're all conditioned to either think Jews are "just folks" like us, or extra-moral super-beings irrationally disliked for their smarts and riches. That's not the whole story.

Check out Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critique" for a treatment of this issue that will open eyes.

[nevadamedic]

You know, several years ago, I was right here. The Jews are hated because they're smart and clever and successful. Sure, to some extent. But KM, I hope you'll go beyond this and see that for white gentiles, it's this, and more. As framed by the Jews, when we're successful, it's because we're "capitalist oppressors" and "racists." When THEY are successful, it's because they're smart.

Ahem. Have you EVER heard a Jew defend white success on grounds that... we earned it?


Even partly?

MEANWHILE!

When whites suffer, if they do at all, it's by their own hand.

When Jews suffer, it's because others are irrationally anti-Semitic.

BULLSHIT!

Jews can't have it both ways. But they do. 'Cause they're Jews. Yet another reason to be wary of this curious people.

You must be one of Bob Matthew's followers.

[Kathianne]

Wonder why this is only now being published.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070311...6TZffR6GJvaA8F

LONDON (AFP) - The Second World War prime minister Winston Churchill argued that Jews were "partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer" in an article publicised for the first time Sunday.

Churchill made the claim in an article entitled "How The Jews Can Combat Persecution" written in 1937, three years before he started leading the country.

He outlined a new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping across Europe and the United States, which was followed by the deaths of millions of Jews in the Holocaust under the German Nazi regime.

"It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors, but that does not fit all the facts," the article read.

"It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States, where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law and where large numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity.

"These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

"For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution -- that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer."

The article adds: "The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different'.

"He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."

Elsewhere, Churchill praised Jews as "sober, industrious, law-abiding" and urged Britons to stand up for the race against persecution.

"There is no virtue in a tame acquiescence in evil. To protest against cruelty and wrong, and to strive to end them, is the mark of a man," he wrote.

The article was discovered by Cambridge University historian Richard Toye in the university's archive of Churchill's papers.

At the time, Churchill's secretary advised him it would be "inadvisable" to publish it and it never saw the light of day.

Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held by the BBC in 2002.

So where is the article? I mean the one that Churchill 'wrote?'

[chum43]

Jews(and I mean jewish leaders and such, not individual people) are self-victimizing, for as long as they've been in existence they've been portraying themselves on a large scale as the victims. It's a lot like blacks have been since the civil rights movement, everything bad that happens to them is about them being a hated race. The holocaust was hardly a genocide and yet the jews fight tooth and nail to take complete credit(whatever you would call it) for being the only victims of the holocaust... the truth is that compared to the Jewish population density in poland, the numbers of jews killed to everyone else killed during the holocaust are just about even. yet all you ever hear is 6 million jews, somewhere between 15 and 20 million people were executed during the holocaust. Now I hold no grudge against Jewish people, but jewish leaders continually take the victim position, just like most groups of people when they can pull it off, they've just been pulling it off longer and more wide spread than any other group. When you can convince people you are the victim, you do... thats the way it works.

[nevadamedic]

Jews(and I mean jewish leaders and such, not individual people) are self-victimizing, for as long as they've been in existence they've been portraying themselves on a large scale as the victims. It's a lot like blacks have been since the civil rights movement, everything bad that happens to them is about them being a hated race. The holocaust was hardly a genocide and yet the jews fight tooth and nail to take complete credit(whatever you would call it) for being the only victims of the holocaust... the truth is that compared to the Jewish population density in poland, the numbers of jews killed to everyone else killed during the holocaust are just about even. yet all you ever hear is 6 million jews, somewhere between 15 and 20 million people were executed during the holocaust. Now I hold no grudge against Jewish people, but jewish leaders continually take the victim position, just like most groups of people when they can pull it off, they've just been pulling it off longer and more wide spread than any other group. When you can convince people you are the victim, you do... thats the way it works.

Jew's have been persecuted for hundered's of years for their beliefs. It didn't all start with WW2. The have a right to play the victims because they are. They are the victims of a cruel and hate filled society.

[chum43]

well that is the attitude that allows victims to play victim even when they don't deserve to... and I know it started before ww2, but it's the best example... they weren't victims of ww2, the human race was the victim of ww2, jews just take all the credit for it.

[nevadamedic]

well that is the attitude that allows victims to play victim even when they don't deserve to... and I know it started before ww2, but it's the best example... they weren't victims of ww2, the human race was the victim of ww2, jews just take all the credit for it.

No, they were the victims. If you saw any of Hitler's election speech's or any of his major speech's they target Jew's.