Jews 'partly responsible' for their troubles: Churchill

[chum43]

Jews(and I mean jewish leaders and such, not individual people) are self-victimizing, for as long as they've been in existence they've been portraying themselves on a large scale as the victims. It's a lot like blacks have been since the civil rights movement, everything bad that happens to them is about them being a hated race. The holocaust was hardly a genocide and yet the jews fight tooth and nail to take complete credit(whatever you would call it) for being the only victims of the holocaust... the truth is that compared to the Jewish population density in poland, the numbers of jews killed to everyone else killed during the holocaust are just about even. yet all you ever hear is 6 million jews, somewhere between 15 and 20 million people were executed during the holocaust. Now I hold no grudge against Jewish people, but jewish leaders continually take the victim position, just like most groups of people when they can pull it off, they've just been pulling it off longer and more wide spread than any other group. When you can convince people you are the victim, you do... thats the way it works.

[nevadamedic]

You know, several years ago, I was right here. The Jews are hated because they're smart and clever and successful. Sure, to some extent. But KM, I hope you'll go beyond this and see that for white gentiles, it's this, and more. As framed by the Jews, when we're successful, it's because we're "capitalist oppressors" and "racists." When THEY are successful, it's because they're smart.

Ahem. Have you EVER heard a Jew defend white success on grounds that... we earned it?


Even partly?

MEANWHILE!

When whites suffer, if they do at all, it's by their own hand.

When Jews suffer, it's because others are irrationally anti-Semitic.

BULLSHIT!

Jews can't have it both ways. But they do. 'Cause they're Jews. Yet another reason to be wary of this curious people.

You must be one of Bob Matthew's followers.

[nevadamedic]

Jews(and I mean jewish leaders and such, not individual people) are self-victimizing, for as long as they've been in existence they've been portraying themselves on a large scale as the victims. It's a lot like blacks have been since the civil rights movement, everything bad that happens to them is about them being a hated race. The holocaust was hardly a genocide and yet the jews fight tooth and nail to take complete credit(whatever you would call it) for being the only victims of the holocaust... the truth is that compared to the Jewish population density in poland, the numbers of jews killed to everyone else killed during the holocaust are just about even. yet all you ever hear is 6 million jews, somewhere between 15 and 20 million people were executed during the holocaust. Now I hold no grudge against Jewish people, but jewish leaders continually take the victim position, just like most groups of people when they can pull it off, they've just been pulling it off longer and more wide spread than any other group. When you can convince people you are the victim, you do... thats the way it works.

Jew's have been persecuted for hundered's of years for their beliefs. It didn't all start with WW2. The have a right to play the victims because they are. They are the victims of a cruel and hate filled society.

[chum43]

well that is the attitude that allows victims to play victim even when they don't deserve to... and I know it started before ww2, but it's the best example... they weren't victims of ww2, the human race was the victim of ww2, jews just take all the credit for it.

[nevadamedic]

well that is the attitude that allows victims to play victim even when they don't deserve to... and I know it started before ww2, but it's the best example... they weren't victims of ww2, the human race was the victim of ww2, jews just take all the credit for it.

No, they were the victims. If you saw any of Hitler's election speech's or any of his major speech's they target Jew's.

[chum43]

I think we can agree what hitler said and what history actually reflects are two separate things... He used hatred of the jews to get people behind him, but they were not targeted over any other group, about a third of the people executed during the holocaust were jews, and about a third of the population at the time in that area were jews, thats not an attempt at genocide.

[nevadamedic]

I think we can agree what hitler said and what history actually reflects are two separate things... He used hatred of the jews to get people behind him, but they were not targeted over any other group, about a third of the people executed during the holocaust were jews, and about a third of the population at the time in that area were jews, thats not an attempt at genocide.

Yes it was, we just stopped him before it got worse. If he had the oppertunity all the Jew's in the world would be dead.

[chum43]

then why waste time killing 15+ million non-jews when he could have simply gotten every single jew in the area instead... they killed anyone who wasn't a nazi soldier, thats the truth... it wasn't a jew genocide... even nazi's needed a distinct enemy they believe deserved to die to go on a massacre, jews were the scape goat, but they weren't in reality the target.

[chum43]

If he had the oppertunity all the Jew's in the world would be dead.

that is true, but my point is so would all other non-nazi's, Jews weren't the exclusive targets, even though that is what they claim.

[TheSage]

So, you REAL problem with Jews is that they take care of themselves as a group, and you're jealous because white gentiles don't?

While I can certainly see where white gentiles deserve the criticism, I can hardly see why how you can blame the Jews for doing what you think white gentiles ought to.

When whites do it they're called racists. That's exactly the double standard the jews have created and perpetuated throughout the western world.

And the judaism is not a religion. It's tribalism. They are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, according to their own beliefs. It's a religion based around the supremacy and chosenness of the jewish people. No different from white supremacy, just more politically correct.

[TheSage]

Jew's have been persecuted for hundered's of years for their beliefs. It didn't all start with WW2. The have a right to play the victims because they are. They are the victims of a cruel and hate filled society.

No. They have contempt for non-jews, and use their leverage in many industries to turn the leaders of goy societies against the people. ANd sometimes it pisses people off.

And for you confused christians who are dying to chime in with "But they are the chosen people", actual christianity teaches a new covenant for all people. According to actual christianity, the path to salvation is through jesus christ even for jews. It's not our christian duty to become christian zionists. That's a bunch of fucked up crap.

[Hugh Lincoln]

And the judaism is not a religion. It's tribalism. They are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, according to their own beliefs. It's a religion based around the supremacy and chosenness of the jewish people. No different from white supremacy, just more politically correct.

BINGO.

Some would even call Judaism a race-cult.

Kevin MacDonald points out that the Nazis might actually have been TRYING TO COPY THE JEWS, if you can wrap your head around that one!

[Doniston]

Wonder why this is only now being published.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070311...6TZffR6GJvaA8F

LONDON (AFP) - The Second World War prime minister Winston Churchill argued that Jews were "partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer" in an article publicised for the first time Sunday.

Churchill made the claim in an article entitled "How The Jews Can Combat Persecution" written in 1937, three years before he started leading the country.

He outlined a new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping across Europe and the United States, which was followed by the deaths of millions of Jews in the Holocaust under the German Nazi regime.

"It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors, but that does not fit all the facts," the article read.

"It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States, where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law and where large numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity.

"These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

"For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution -- that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer."

The article adds: "The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different'.

"He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."

Elsewhere, Churchill praised Jews as "sober, industrious, law-abiding" and urged Britons to stand up for the race against persecution.

"There is no virtue in a tame acquiescence in evil. To protest against cruelty and wrong, and to strive to end them, is the mark of a man," he wrote.

The article was discovered by Cambridge University historian Richard Toye in the university's archive of Churchill's papers.

At the time, Churchill's secretary advised him it would be "inadvisable" to publish it and it never saw the light of day.

Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held by the BBC in 2002.

I saw this months ago on another forum. It is brought up periodically

And to a very minor degree it is true. Simply because of their own philosophy.

[5stringJeff]

And for you confused christians who are dying to chime in with "But they are the chosen people", actual christianity teaches a new covenant for all people. According to actual christianity, the path to salvation is through jesus christ even for jews. It's not our christian duty to become christian zionists. That's a bunch of fucked up crap.

While the Bible teaches salvation through Christ alone, the Abrahamic covenant, which established Abraham's descendants as God's chosen people, was never cancelled, nor have all of its promises been fulfilled yet in history.

[Dilloduck]

While the Bible teaches salvation through Christ alone, the Abrahamic covenant, which established Abraham's descendants as God's chosen people, was never cancelled, nor have all of its promises been fulfilled yet in history.

Where did Jesus mention anything about there being another way to salvation?