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    Default Bill Would End Ban On Photos Of Returning Military Dead

    Introduced and sponsored by a Republican, no less. Although a somber subject, this issue is one that more Americans need to become personally attached. War is hell and Americans need to understand that. Some act as if it were somehow somebody else's problem if not frivolous from it's outset.

    Source: PDNOnline

    The Department of Defense would be required to grant journalists access to ceremonies honoring fallen military personnel under a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives.

    The legislation is significant because it would, for the first time since Vietnam, let photojournalists capture the powerful images of flag-draped caskets arriving on American soil during wartime.

    This week the bill won the endorsement of the National Press Photographers Association.

    The Fallen Hero Commemoration Act, or H.R. 6662, was introduced July 30 by Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.), a member of the House Committee on Armed Services.

    The bill states: "The Secretary of Defense shall grant access to accredited members of the media at military commemoration ceremonies and memorial services conducted by the Armed Forces for members of the Armed Forces who have died on active duty and when the remains of members of the Armed Forces arrive at military installations in the United States." It was referred to the Committee on Armed Services............

    More: http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswir..._id=1003839279

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Introduced and sponsored by a Republican, no less. Although a somber subject, this issue is one that more Americans need to become personally attached. War is hell and Americans need to understand that. Some act as if it were somehow somebody else's problem if not frivolous from it's outset.

    Source: PDNOnline

    The Department of Defense would be required to grant journalists access to ceremonies honoring fallen military personnel under a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives.

    The legislation is significant because it would, for the first time since Vietnam, let photojournalists capture the powerful images of flag-draped caskets arriving on American soil during wartime.

    This week the bill won the endorsement of the National Press Photographers Association.

    The Fallen Hero Commemoration Act, or H.R. 6662, was introduced July 30 by Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.), a member of the House Committee on Armed Services.

    The bill states: "The Secretary of Defense shall grant access to accredited members of the media at military commemoration ceremonies and memorial services conducted by the Armed Forces for members of the Armed Forces who have died on active duty and when the remains of members of the Armed Forces arrive at military installations in the United States." It was referred to the Committee on Armed Services............

    More: http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswir..._id=1003839279

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    Hopefully the wording...... "accredited members of the media" will keep the assholes from shoving microphones and cameras in the faces of grieving family members. That was what the original ban was about, respect for the fallen and their families...... not the bullshit propagated by the antiwar clowns on the left.
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    The door will be opened, zero, and I am certain that the likes of the jerks at FauxNews, etc., will not be denied. It is time, however, that as Americans and concerned citizens we see what is happening to our families, our countrymen and especially our troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    The door will be opened, zero, and I am certain that the likes of the jerks at FauxNews, etc., will not be denied. It is time, however, that as Americans and concerned citizens we see what is happening to our families, our countrymen and especially our troops.
    What a load of horse shit. Who doesn't know? If someone doesn't they are ignorant enough to be voting Democrat because they don't have a clue about the world around them....... the dream Dem voter, totally oblivious and easily lead with a carton of cigarettes or a fried chicken lunch.
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    What a freakin' punkass you are, zero. I didn't imply that even someone as ignorant as you did not "know". I said "see" which is more relevant to the information we are discussing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sitarro View Post
    What a load of horse shit. Who doesn't know? If someone doesn't they are ignorant enough to be voting Democrat because they don't have a clue about the world around them....... the dream Dem voter, totally oblivious and easily lead with a carton of cigarettes or a fried chicken lunch.
    You don't like cigarettes or fried chicken? I suggest you avoid them.


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    You don't need to shove cameras and microphones into someones face to drive home the cost of an unnecessary war. Besides when did being antiwar have a negative connotation, war is expensive and destroys families and lives. This will help the American people see the drama that war causes and get more people to be anti war and the war monger assholes can go starve in a ditch. Berating an anti war movement is like berating a homeless shelter or a charity you look like a total ass clown when you make statements like that. I hope the democrats start doing massive military cuts as well, this nation was never ment to have a 1.5 million man standing military. Im all for having the most cutting edge weapons of death and continuing that research for the future but we dont need 1.5 million people on active duty plus all of the infrastructure to support 1.5 million people not to mention the gross over staffing of the reserves/national gaurd thats what the draft is for. When you cut down the size you could also cut out the bureaucracy and get rid of the assholes and make the military truly professional.

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    Are you not happy with the professionalism of the military, rp?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Are you not happy with the professionalism of the military, rp?

    Anyone who focuses on customs/coutesys, power trips, boot shining, or meaningless busy work, etc rather than doing meaningful projects is not a professional. Professionalism is not an outward facad but actual performance at ones job. The military is too "rank" focused rather than postion focused. Also basic training as a one size fits all is a joke, "basic" training should be curtailed for an individuals choosen field because someone has to want to do what they are doing in order to excell at it, fear mongering will get people to do the bare minimum or teach people that they need to learn to circumvent the system. And the hazing would have to stop if you wanted to be considered a professional, people call themselves all kinds of things all the time but that does not mean that thats in fact what you are, all kinds of people call themselves engineers who are not and most people in the military are not professionals, some are but most are not. Its the governments way to make them feel special like they are a cut above to try to motivate them when in fact all they have is a few weeks of (or 9 weeks or whatever) of MOS training which hardly qualifies you as a professional in anything. I watched people coming out of MOS training when I was in the guard and they were complaining that the civilian trainers were trying to be there "friends" while they taught them the rudimentary fundamentals of swaping out parts on a helicopter, these civilians were probably degreed PROFESSIONALS who were trying to teach them something and all the trainee could think of was he was trying to be my friend, how dare he, he should have been a pompous ass like a drill sgt these are the caliber of people I saw in the military.
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    I dig that, rp. Thanks for the expose'!!!!!!!!!!


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    What disturbs me is that for these journalists, its all about the dollars.

    If I felt that they actually just wanted to convey truth, I wouldn't mind.

    But very Alan Jacksonesque, I feel that they'll just exploit people's grief for attention and money.
    A little chaos never hurt anyone... in fact, it only helps rectify how you feel about things!

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    Welcome to the world of corporate controlled mainstream media, COC!!!!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by CatalystOfChaos View Post
    What disturbs me is that for these journalists, its all about the dollars.

    If I felt that they actually just wanted to convey truth, I wouldn't mind.

    But very Alan Jacksonesque, I feel that they'll just exploit people's grief for attention and money.
    Have you ever considered independent sources?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CatalystOfChaos View Post
    ...I feel that they'll just exploit people's grief for attention and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post

    The celebration is not appropriate in this post.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatalystOfChaos View Post
    What disturbs me is that for these journalists, its all about the dollars.

    If I felt that they actually just wanted to convey truth, I wouldn't mind.

    But very Alan Jacksonesque, I feel that they'll just exploit people's grief for attention and money.
    Even if a journalist is just doing there job for the paycheck, in this case they are still conveying the truth. The motivation of the guy carrying the camera is irrelavant as long as the coverage is still the same. Also the fact that they are covering military funnerals shows a sense of patriotism by the fact that they are trying to end a pointless war to keep more of these funerals from happeneing by showing people the cost of war. The press is not a non profit organization so I expect them to make a few bucks selling news papers, without the press we would be like the soviet union. News is about 90% truth and if you can keep from getting emotionally sucked into the 10% bias you can get good information from main stream media. Usually if there saying there is a fire in neigborhood A there is a fire but then they go further to say the arsonst was a pill poper who need phyciatric evaluation ..... but you got the news you needed there was a fire. 99% of the time the media does not 100% fabricate a story out of thin air usually something did in fact happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rppearso View Post
    Even if a journalist is just doing there job for the paycheck, in this case they are still conveying the truth. The motivation of the guy carrying the camera is irrelavant as long as the coverage is still the same. Also the fact that they are covering military funnerals shows a sense of patriotism by the fact that they are trying to end a pointless war to keep more of these funerals from happeneing by showing people the cost of war. The press is not a non profit organization so I expect them to make a few bucks selling news papers, without the press we would be like the soviet union. News is about 90% truth and if you can keep from getting emotionally sucked into the 10% bias you can get good information from main stream media. Usually if there saying there is a fire in neigborhood A there is a fire but then they go further to say the arsonst was a pill poper who need phyciatric evaluation ..... but you got the news you needed there was a fire. 99% of the time the media does not 100% fabricate a story out of thin air usually something did in fact happen.
    If one of those assholes tries to use a relative of mine for his bullshit story, he will have to remove the camera from his ass to retrieve the photos. These assholes, like you, are only after one thing, sensationalizing any death whether it occurs in battle or from an accident....... they don't bother to differentiate. You are a punk and dishonest about the military and what it takes to run it. The military isn't a job motivated by pay which makes it completely different from civilian life, just because you were not disciplined enough to get through basic doesn't make it less valid. Oh and by the way, you are not only a pussy but an idiot as well, who could possibly give a shit what you think.
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