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    Scholar: 'Jesus Tomb' makers mistaken

    JERUSALEM - A scholar looking into the factual basis of a popular but widely criticized documentary that claims to have located the tomb of Jesus said Tuesday that a crucial piece of evidence filmmakers used to support their claim is a mistake

    Stephen Pfann, a textual scholar and paleographer at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem, said he has released a paper claiming the makers of "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" were mistaken when they identified an ancient ossuary from the cave as belonging to the New Testament's Mary Magdalene.

    The film's director, Simcha Jacobovici, responded that other researchers agreed with the documentary's conclusions.

    Produced by Oscar-winning director James Cameron, the documentary has drawn intense media coverage for its claims challenging accepted Christian dogma.

    Despite widespread ridicule from scholars, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" drew more than 4 million viewers when it aired on the Discovery Channel on March 4. A companion book, "The Jesus Family Tomb," has rocketed to sixth place on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list.

    The film and book suggest that a first-century ossuary found in a south Jerusalem cave in 1980 contained the remains of Jesus, contradicting the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven. Ossuaries are stone boxes used at the time to store the bones of the dead.

    The filmmakers also suggest that Mary Magdalene was buried in the tomb, that she and Jesus were married, and that an ossuary labeled "Judah son of Jesus" belonged to their son.

    The scholars who analyzed the Greek inscription on one of the ossuaries after its discovery read it as "Mariamene e Mara," meaning "Mary the teacher" or "Mary the master."

    Before the movie was screened, Jacobovici said that particular inscription provided crucial support for his claim. The name Mariamene is rare, and in some early Christian texts it is believed to refer to Mary Magdalene.

    But having analyzed the inscription, Pfann published a detailed article on his university's Web site asserting that it doesn't read "Mariamene" at all.

    The inscription, Pfann said, is made up of two names inscribed by two different hands: the first, "Mariame," was inscribed in a formal Greek script, and later, when the bones of another woman were added to the box, another scribe using a different cursive script added the words "kai Mara," meaning "and Mara." Mara is a different form of the name Martha.

    According to Pfann's reading, the ossuary did not house the bones of "Mary the teacher," but rather of two women, "Mary and Martha."

    "In view of the above, there is no longer any reason to be tempted to link this ossuary ... to Mary Magdalene or any other person in biblical, non-biblical or church tradition," Pfann wrote.

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    Despite widespread ridicule from scholars, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" drew more than 4 million viewers when it aired on the Discovery Channel on March 4. A companion book, "The Jesus Family Tomb," has rocketed to sixth place on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list.
    Just think of all the money I could make if I wrote a book claiming Jesus was gay and an alcoholic. I just know there's a market out there for it.
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    This sure did fade fast, huh?
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    So i guess that book should be moved to the fiction list now?

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    It was always fiction.

    I did note that they spent more time covering the documentary and number of viewers along with mentioning all the researchers that had something to do with it than they did on the Dr that was debunking it. He only gets mentioned in the last third or the article.
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    Anything to make a buck these days. There have been past efforts to "authenticate" the fact that Jesus was (choose one) black, female, married, gay and a deadbeat dad.
    It's a belief, people. There is nothing about God, Jesus or The Bible that can be authenticated. Due to the fact that Jesus was not known for giving press conferences and setting up photo ops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    It's a belief, people. There is nothing about God, Jesus or The Bible that can be authenticated. Due to the fact that Jesus was not known for giving press conferences and setting up photo ops.
    Except that there is plenty about the Bible that can be authenticated. Much of the history in the Bible has been verified by non-Biblical historical writings. And there was sufficient proof of Jesus' resurrection to convince thousands of Jews to abandon the faith of their fathers to follow the Messiah. If there's not evidence, why would anyone believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    Except that there is plenty about the Bible that can be authenticated. Much of the history in the Bible has been verified by non-Biblical historical writings. And there was sufficient proof of Jesus' resurrection to convince thousands of Jews to abandon the faith of their fathers to follow the Messiah. If there's not evidence, why would anyone believe?
    Agreed. There's a ton of evidence out there. Isn't it odd that most atheists are also libs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    Except that there is plenty about the Bible that can be authenticated. Much of the history in the Bible has been verified by non-Biblical historical writings. And there was sufficient proof of Jesus' resurrection to convince thousands of Jews to abandon the faith of their fathers to follow the Messiah. If there's not evidence, why would anyone believe?
    I think the strongest evidence are the witness we recieve from the Holy Spirit. The still, small, but still powerful voice of revelation that all those who exercise faith in Christ can recieve. I can't think of much better evidence than God saying so.

    But too many people are unwilling to even consider asking Him to know the truth. I can't for the life of me figure out why. You'd think that in matters of religion one would go to the source AKA God to learn things for certain.

    Now that's not say all the physical evidence is bad or that we shouldn't look to it as well. But you could prove every iota of the Bible, and it wouldnt have the power to convert people. Only the Spirit can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    I think the strongest evidence are the witness we recieve from the Holy Spirit. The still, small, but still powerful voice of revelation that all those who exercise faith in Christ can recieve. I can't think of much better evidence than God saying so.

    But too many people are unwilling to even consider asking Him to know the truth. I can't for the life of me figure out why. You'd think that in matters of religion one would go to the source AKA God to learn things for certain.

    Now that's not say all the physical evidence is bad or that we shouldn't look to it as well. But you could prove every iota of the Bible, and it wouldnt have the power to convert people. Only the Spirit can.
    True but the physical evidence sure is fun to shine in the face of non-believers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    True but the physical evidence sure is fun to shine in the face of non-believers.
    Physical evidence of what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    But too many people are unwilling to even consider asking Him to know the truth. I can't for the life of me figure out why. You'd think that in matters of religion one would go to the source AKA God to learn things for certain.
    No offense, but that's a classic example of circular logic. You could apply that same argument to anything, including but not limited to, Santa Claus, leprechauns, aliens, Bigfoot, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Physical evidence of what exactly?
    We've been over this before, man. Are you sure you want to go there again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    We've been over this before, man. Are you sure you want to go there again?
    I'm not sure that we have...I'm interested in this physical evidence you claim exists, and what you think it proves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    But too many people are unwilling to even consider asking Him to know the truth

    I was thinking about this in church sunday. I started to realize people haven't changed. Since the Beginning, people have consistently rejected Truth in favour of Lies. Eve. The Whole World save Noah. All the way up to Christ being killed by the popular opinion of the masses (idiots didnt know, however, what they were doing was EXACTLY what needed to be done).

    Mankind has historically REJECTED truths because of the freedom God has granted our minds and hearts.

    People LOVE lies. I dunno why. Sometimes I wonder why God created man with such an amazing ability to bow to impenetrable ignorance.
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