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    Default I can't make this stuff up...WOW.

    On the topic of McCain v. Obama I had a guy (on another forum) write:

    Socialist Medical plans work for most other countries with out a hitch, we don't support it because then there is no way to turn a huge profit. See the movie "Sicko" I am not a big Michael Morre fan, but he got that one right. I have been over to many countries with a med program like this and it is far superior to ours with care just as good. There is magnetic tape of Nixon saying that we should't go to a socialst medical plan because there is just so much money to be made in the insurance biz. If you have not seen the movie, I really urge you to see it, some of the things that are revealed are horrifying.

    WHA????????????? How do you respond to something like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    On the topic of McCain v. Obama I had a guy (on another forum) write:




    WHA????????????? How do you respond to something like that?
    I think you have to neuter it for the sake of mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    On the topic of McCain v. Obama I had a guy (on another forum) write:




    WHA????????????? How do you respond to something like that?
    With a ....."damn right!"
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    Zactly, doc, zactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    With a ....."damn right!"
    The reichwing world in America is nothing more than a series of "damn right"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it's their mating call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    On the topic of McCain v. Obama I had a guy (on another forum) write:




    WHA????????????? How do you respond to something like that?
    You cant. Because if someone is that deluded he just cant see the truth.
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    Delusion is a common thing in conservative circles, a'21!!!!!!!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    You cant. Because if someone is that deluded he just cant see the truth.
    Good catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Delusion is a common thing in conservative circles, a'21!!!!!!!!!!!




    Good catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and it's a common thing in liberal circles aswell psychobabe, infact it is common in all aspects of politic, as politics itself is the art of deception.
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    compare american health industry to canadian health industry...the facts are that america has far superior medical care/treatment...and much quicker access time...problem is not all can afford it....canada, while not as superior, is accessable in terms of finances...but not accessible because of the long wait lists...and one thing that truly bothers me....the government decides whether you truly need this or that treatment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    compare american health industry to canadian health industry...the facts are that america has far superior medical care/treatment...and much quicker access time...problem is not all can afford it....canada, while not as superior, is accessable in terms of finances...but not accessible because of the long wait lists...and one thing that truly bothers me....the government decides whether you truly need this or that treatment
    How do they do this, exactly? Which government - fed, prov or municiple?
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    I've never spoken to a Canadian that was happy with their health care system.
    I'm sure there are exceptions, I've just never met one in all my travels.

    Maybe said1 likes it, I donno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    I've never spoken to a Canadian that was happy with their health care system.
    I'm sure there are exceptions, I've just never met one in all my travels.

    Maybe said1 likes it, I donno.
    Some people like it, some don't. I've had good experiences and bad. I get sick I go to the doctor. I needed surgery, no wait - others do. Like many governmemt services, location and demographics quite often determine quality and access. Large population growth within this type of system isn't compatible - provincial population fluctuations and poor city planning are a problem too. It's not always possible for city facilities to keep up with increased demand if increases happen rather quickly - you can only build so fast. I also think people have the wrong idea about why healthcare is declining in Canada and it has more to do with population than socialism. That is, even IF healthcare was totally private, I don't know if Canada would have that many more doctors - the same infrastructure problems would still exist with respect to regional population changes as well. At least that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Said1 View Post
    How do they do this, exactly? Which government - fed, prov or municiple?
    my wife says it is probably a combination, depending on the wealth of the province, etc... she also said i am not technically right on the government (paraphrasing here) per se deciding your treatment, however the doctors are employed by the government....that was my point, the government is made up of employees of the government. in the states, we call someone working for the government in the scope of their employment...a state actor...

    so in essence, it is my opinion that the government makes the ultimate decisions...you have budgets etc....

    Quote Originally Posted by Said1 View Post
    Some people like it, some don't. I've had good experiences and bad. I get sick I go to the doctor. I needed surgery, no wait - others do. Like many governmemt services, location and demographics quite often determine quality and access. Large population growth within this type of system isn't compatible - provincial population fluctuations and poor city planning are a problem too. It's not always possible for city facilities to keep up with increased demand if increases happen rather quickly - you can only build so fast. I also think people have the wrong idea about why healthcare is declining in Canada and it has more to do with population than socialism. That is, even IF healthcare was totally private, I don't know if Canada would have that many more doctors - the same infrastructure problems would still exist with respect to regional population changes as well. At least that's my opinion.
    that is a fair opinion and not one i think anyone can say: you're wrong.

    in addition to my wife being canadian, i had quite a few canadian profs at uni as the uni was in WA. since i was a business major, this topic actually came up quite a bit. it was never resolved on who or what was at fault, only that, if you truly needed ground breaking medical work or medical work right away, you come to the US, so long as you can afford it....and if you can't afford it in the US, then some wait is better than never getting help

    that is my recollection anyways
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    my wife says it is probably a combination, depending on the wealth of the province, etc... she also said i am not technically right on the government (paraphrasing here) per se deciding your treatment, however the doctors are employed by the government....that was my point, the government is made up of employees of the government. in the states, we call someone working for the government in the scope of their employment...a state actor...

    so in essence, it is my opinion that the government makes the ultimate decisions...you have budgets etc....
    To be honest, I'm not totally sure how the budget is passed down. That is, I'm not sure what is ear marked for what when the feds give to the provinces who in turn give to regional governments. Citizens of each province are covered by provincial plans, so I'm assuming, for the most part that the province decides what is covered and what isn't. I know that people often head to the US and are covered under provincial plans, it's not always a cash deal either. What you pay into your provincial plan varies per province as well. In Ontario, I pay via taxes. In BC, I would pay via taxes and based on monthly income! Then there's equalization payments, transfer payments -etc.



    that is a fair opinion and not one i think anyone can say: you're wrong.

    in addition to my wife being canadian, i had quite a few canadian profs at uni as the uni was in WA. since i was a business major, this topic actually came up quite a bit. it was never resolved on who or what was at fault, only that, if you truly needed ground breaking medical work or medical work right away, you come to the US, so long as you can afford it....and if you can't afford it in the US, then some wait is better than never getting help

    that is my recollection anyways
    Again, I think it's fair to say that population has a large influence on economics in Canada. What I mean by that is; where there is less people, there will be less industry and innovation due to lack of capital, among other things. I'm not a business major, so I won't say that's the final answer, but it does come into play at some point. Of course, there are things that can aid in remedying this situation, but with a very limited population, there will be less scientists, less doctors, less billionaires etc. On the other hand, our population is growing enough to surpass our health care needs. What should we do?

    This topic gets on my nerves.

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    UOTE=Said1;307738]To be honest, I'm not totally sure how the budget is passed down. That is, I'm not sure what is ear marked for what when the feds give to the provinces who in turn give to regional governments. Citizens of each province are covered by provincial plans, so I'm assuming, for the most part that the province decides what is covered and what isn't. I know that people often head to the US and are covered under provincial plans, it's not always a cash deal either. What you pay into your provincial plan varies per province as well. In Ontario, I pay via taxes. In BC, I would pay via taxes and based on monthly income! Then there's equalization payments, transfer payments -etc.
    did not know that, will ask my wife and her family




    Again, I think it's fair to say that population has a large influence on economics in Canada. What I mean by that is; where there is less people, there will be less industry and innovation due to lack of capital, among other things. I'm not a business major, so I won't say that's the final answer, but it does come into play at some point. Of course, there are things that can aid in remedying this situation, but with a very limited population, there will be less scientists, less doctors, less billionaires etc. On the other hand, our population is growing enough to surpass our health care needs. What should we do?

    This topic gets on my nerves.
    a sexy nurse with a wicked (i want to stab you in a sexy manner) grin for an avi....you kill me or stab me, your pick

    a business major is not required to have a some ethereal final answer....for i am willing to wager that you will find at least two phd business majors who disagree

    this of course does not negate the fact i am always right

    i can see your point about limited population. OR and WA do pretty good, given their limited population. CA, so so, maybe good on the very high end, but look at our budget and current situation. I mention CA because CA has more people than Canada...and yes, i pointed that out to my girlfriend, fiancee and wife...

    i would have to talk to more canadians about this, but my wife's immediate family believes many of the ailments are due to unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post



    a sexy nurse with a wicked (i want to stab you in a sexy manner) grin for an avi....you kill me or stab me, your pick

    a business major is not required to have a some ethereal final answer....for i am willing to wager that you will find at least two phd business majors who disagree

    this of course does not negate the fact i am always right

    i can see your point about limited population. OR and WA do pretty good, given their limited population. CA, so so, maybe good on the very high end, but look at our budget and current situation. I mention CA because CA has more people than Canada...and yes, i pointed that out to my girlfriend, fiancee and wife...

    I'm a human geography major and a lot of what I study involves the various aspects of population growth and decline and it's affects on different societies. Health Care isn't my favorite topic, I prefer funner stuff like 'light rail' expansion. The economics of health care is enough to put be to sleep for a long time, although I do know that price capping on services had made it very undesirable for doctors to practice in Canada. I've heard it's also difficult for foreign doctors to do what they need to do in order to get proper licensing, after being recruited from abroad - even though it seems like everyone is on their way to see dr. Chang or Dr. Ackmed..

    As for unions and health care, I don't know. I do know that a few years back I applied for a job at one of the Ottawa hospitals. i forget the exact job title, but it involved walking around the corporate campus with a cart, picking up boxes of files and then destroying them in a giant thing-a-ma-bob. It paid $22/hr plus benefits out the A$$. Ottawa city hospitals are so desperate for staff, they're willing to take admin staff who received ICS diplomas. I bet Sally Struthers herself could get a job in admitting - wig and all.
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