Originally Posted by
CatalystOfChaos
Nowhere in the "Joe Plumber" sequence did Obama say he wanted to "spread the wealth" or "redistribute."
He said he wanted individuals and companies who make more than 250k to pay a little more in taxes, those who make less to pay a little less.
He did not in any way say that the tax money coming from Joe the Plumber would go into the waitress' he referred to's pocket.
He simply said that she'd pay less in taxes, he'd pay a little more.
Some might say that making one person pay more taxes than another in reality is, taking his money and giving it to her. I disagree.
Let's say...
I have $10.
Joe has $100.
Let's say the current plan means we both pay 30%.
I now have $7 left, Joe has $66 left. Government now has $36. Now, let's for argument's sake say that this $36 is going into transportation funding (road maintenance.)
Now, let's say Obama's plan goes into effect. Now I pay 20%, so I'm paying $2. Joe now pays 34%, so pays $34. So he paid an extra dollar, I paid a dollar less. This money still goes into transportation, it is not given to me.
Now, with that extra dollar... Americans spend spend spend. Joe provides a service. That extra dollar gets spent on services or product. Joe or someone like him sees it again. Now maybe I'm just really, really struggling and so that extra $ goes into my rent. My landlord hires plumbers.
It's not a redistribution or spreading of the wealth. It's trying to help the people hurt most by the economic crises we are facing by paying the government's programs, tax funded maintenance and such that are staples of government and American existence. The dollar is not coming out of Joe's pocket and going into mine, its coming out of Joe's pocket and helping to pay for road maintenance and law enforcement and such. The "works hard" argument only goes so far. I'll give you an example.
I worked for 5 years for CompUSA, working hard. From the age of 16 to 21, I worked hard for that company. They never paid a whole lot, but I've always felt that if you're going to work for someone, you agreed to do your job for what you were paid. CompUSA shut down. All my hard work? Waste of time.
Then I got a job with CE Workforce, making quite a bit more money and a better position (Sales Rep up to Field Area Manager.) Then CE Workforce shut down a month later. Again, my hard work and all the interviews I had gone to, positions I had turned down... meant nothing.
My next job, Hewlett Packard as an in store rep/trainer, lasted for a little over a year. HP cut the contract short and early, budget cuts due to lower sales due to the economy being messed up. Now I have no work, and spend day after day trying to set up interviews. For all the positions I've interviewed for, I'm competing against up to a dozen other candidates, many of which are older than me with more experience, so I do not get hired. My "hard work" goes nowhere. I will not go work at McDonalds or StarBucks or WalMart where I probably could get a job, because I can't pay my bills on those wages AND it looks bad on a resume. But with our current screwed up economy, its an employer's market. They can afford to fire people then rehire people at a lower wage than that job paid a year previously. A job that paid $15 an hour last year now pays $9 an hour. A job that was 40 hours a week last year, cut to 20 hours a week this year. The job market is terrible, and the areas where people seeing rough times were able to find jobs before (retail, restaurants, etc) now can't find jobs.
Now, I'm in a really tough position. I couldn't finish school because of financial aid issues, they cut me off. I was making $40,000 a year. This barely pays the bills in California, it does not allow me to pay my own way through school. I don't have financial aid from the government, I don't have a job, and unemployment is a piddling amount of money that they try to hassle you every bit of the way rather than give you.
I spend 4-6 hours a day looking for jobs, sending in resumes, calling around, etc. The other 4-6 I spend doing side projects, trying to sell stuff on Ebay, whatever I can do so I don't lose my car and so the electricity isn't shut off.
I'm not the only one facing this kind of problem. Now, Joe paying a little more in taxes and me paying a little less... the government continues running. Transportation gets to keep the roads maintained. And now I have an extra dollar that i can go pay a bill with, pay the rent with... which frees up an extra dollar to spend elsewhere. With less money flowing around, the government has less money from taxes... the money has to come from somewhere. Raise taxes for everyone, including the people who can't pay their electricity bill in spite of the fact they "work hard?"
In a normal economic situation, where "working hard" means success, maybe this complaint would be true. I graduated high school. I worked all through and during high school. I've stayed in work, I went to college. My hard work has gotten me nowhere with how screwed up our economy is. So Joe, who is making quite a bit of money, and gets his money from other people needing his services, is in decent shape. He's worked hard, he's been rewarded for it. Some extra cash here and there would enable me to keep paying for bills and services, such as what Joe provides.