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    Default Why Conservatives Have Finally Lost Their Sense Of Solidarity And Purpose

    The ol' Rooster has come home to roost. I saw this coming in 1992 when I finally left the Republican Party for good. The hypocrisy was just overwhelming.

    Washington Post Writers Group

    "Whose Side Are You On, Comrade"
    by E.J. Dionne, Jr.
    Why conservatives have finally lost their sense of solidarity and purpose.
    Post Date October 24, 2008

    WASHINGTON--Conservatives are at each other's throats, and here's what's revealing about how divided they are: The critics of John McCain and the critics of Sarah Palin represent entirely different camps.

    Skeptical social conservatives are precisely the people McCain was trying to mollify by picking Palin as his running mate. These include the faithful of the religious right who remember McCain as their enemy in 2000, and parts of the gun crowd who always saw McCain as soft on their issues.

    That McCain felt a need to make such an outlandishly risky choice speaks to how insecure his hold was on the core Republican vote. A candidate is supposed to rally the base during the primaries and reach out to the middle at election time. McCain got it backward, and it's hurting him.

    A Pew Research Center survey this week found that among political independents, Palin's unfavorable rating has almost doubled since mid-September, from 27 percent to 50 percent. Whatever enthusiasm Palin inspired among conservative ideologues is more than offset by middle-of-the road defections..................................

    Yet the pro-Palin right is still impatient with McCain for not being tough enough--as if he has not run one of the most negative campaigns in recent history. This camp believes that if McCain only shouted the names "Bill Ayers" and "Jeremiah Wright" at the top of his lungs, the whole election would turn around............................................ ............


    For years, many of the elite conservatives were happy to harvest the votes of devout Christians and gun owners by waging a phony class war against "liberal elitists" and "leftist intellectuals." Suddenly, the conservative writers are discovering that the very anti-intellectualism their side courted and encouraged has begun to consume their movement.

    The cause of Edmund Burke, Leo Strauss, Robert Nisbet and William F. Buckley Jr. is now in the hands of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity--and Sarah Palin. Reason has been overwhelmed by propaganda, ideas by slogans, learned manifestoes by direct-mail hit pieces.

    And then there is George W. Bush. Conservatives once hailed him for creating an enduring majority on behalf of their cause. Now, they cast him as the goat in their story of decline.

    The conservative critique of Bush is a familiar rant against his advocacy of big government and huge deficits--now supplemented by a horror over his embrace of actual socialism with the partial nationalization of big banks. And, yes, a fair number of conservatives were never wild about the adventure in Iraq.

    Things are so bad that the internecine warriors on the right have begun copying the rhetoric of the old left. In a Washington Times column this week upbraiding dissidents such as Brooks and Noonan, Tony Blankley, the conservative writer and activist, fell back on an old left slogan, asking them: "Whose side are you on, comrade?"

    This is a revelatory question. It arises when a movement has lost its sense of solidarity and purpose, when the "sides" are no longer clear. There is no unified "right" or "center-right," which is why we are no longer a conservative country, if we ever were...............................

    Conservatives came to believe that if they repeated phrases such as "Joe the Plumber" often enough, they could persuade working-class voters that policies tilted heavily in favor of the very privileged were actually designed with Joe in mind.

    It isn't working anymore. No wonder conservatives are turning on each other so ferociously.

    More: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...1-c3978ba94600

    Interesting article with some astounding observations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Oh wow, a commentary on conservatism by a liberal. How insightful! LOL
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    "Maybe I missed that part of the Constitution"--Joe Steel
    You can't spell Liberals without Lies.

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    Lots of truth in that piece, huk.


    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    Oh wow, a commentary on conservatism by a liberal. How insightful! LOL
    Did your poisoned eyes miss it or are you just concerned with the writer?!?!?!?!??!?! It's OK. Lot's of you incurious repubs operate pretty much the same way and that is just one of the things the article addresses but in a rather oblique way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Lots of truth in that piece, huk.




    Did your poisoned eyes miss it or are you just concerned with the writer?!?!?!?!??!?! It's OK. Lot's of you incurious repubs operate pretty much the same way and that is just one of the things the article addresses but in a rather oblique way.

    so you believe everything you read?
    Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. ~Zen Buddhist Proverb

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    I generally take it for what it's worth, cowgirl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    so you believe everything you read?
    Actually, E.J. Dionne has proven to be fair, balanced and reliable. His sentiments are now being echoed all over the Republican Party. Have you noticed all those cool red endorsements that Obama has been getting lately?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!


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    we read the same shit every election..

    if you want to see a party coming apart..how bout all them Hillary voters voting for a Republican..
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    I hear they talk about that a lot over at FauxNews but no credible source has been able to confirm that as the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    we read the same shit every election..

    if you want to see a party coming apart..how bout all them Hillary voters voting for a Republican..
    Hillary voters are generally savvy and progressive in the political sense and would have absolutely no reason to commit that kind of self defeating political act of re-entering the 20th century. Although there are certain exceptions I don't believe the Hillary voters are propping up the McCain campaign or damaging the Obama one. But, what if they were propping up the McCain campaign?!?!?!?!?!?!???!?!?! Wouldn't that be a hoot?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I wonder where he'd be without them?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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    So-called "conservatism" in the States is in disarray because it's not really conservatism. It's a mix of reactionary politics, opportunism, Straussianism, objectivism (Ayn Rand) and other mad -isms such as that lunatic Dobson.

    Kick out the religious fundies, remove the nutters who used to be Trots (PNAC), dump the Randians (objectivism, what a load of bullshit) and turf out the freeloaders and perhaps conservatism may recover itself.

    There needs to be less berks and more Burke.
    "Unbloodybreakable" DCI Gene Hunt, 2008

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    Great observations, doc!!!!!!!!!!



    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    So-called "conservatism" in the States is in disarray because it's not really conservatism. It's a mix of reactionary politics, opportunism, Straussianism, objectivism (Ayn Rand) and other mad -isms such as that lunatic Dobson.

    Kick out the religious fundies, remove the nutters who used to be Trots (PNAC), dump the Randians (objectivism, what a load of bullshit) and turf out the freeloaders and perhaps conservatism may recover itself.

    There needs to be less berks and more Burke.
    Don't you think, though, that your educating them might hurt their feelings more than it helps their minds??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!


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    I can't "educate" anyone PB. I know nothing by myself.
    "Unbloodybreakable" DCI Gene Hunt, 2008

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    But,,,,,,,you threw some heavy stuff out there for curious minds to examine and contemplate, my friend.


    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    I can't "educate" anyone PB. I know nothing by myself.
    Everything any of us knows comes from someplace or somebody else!!!!!!!!!!


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