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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    I maintain the information did not come from the IRS as you said but came from a reichwing rag and is not to be trusted under any circumstances.




    But, obviously you do trust it. Great!!!!!!!!!!!! Now take the next step and verify if the IRS indeed said what your pissass article says that they say. I can't promise you that it will be a simple task but I do promise you that you will be enlightened if you just extrapolate and investigate just a bit on your own!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're getting testy and real dumb lately, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Not that you will read this, but here is another source based on IRS numbers


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    Analyzing these numbers in conjunction with data from the Congressional Budget Office is even more instructive. The CBO data includes a breakdown by each 20% of income earners, orquintiles, from the lowest 20% of income earners to the highest 20%. This reveals more clearly what is happening with the tax burdens among the bottom 50% of income earners.

    The latest CBO data, for tax year 2005, is shown in Table 2. The top 1% of income earners paid 39% of federal income taxes, while earning 18% of pre-tax income. The top 5% paid 61% of federal income taxes, while earning 31% of pre-tax income. These numbers are very similar to the IRS numbers above.

    But the CBO data also shows that the middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, paid only 4.4% of federal income taxes. The bottom 40% of income earners actually paid a negative 3.8% of federal income taxes. That means they got money back on net from the federalncome tax system, rather than paying money. The top 40% paid 99.4% of federal income taxes,
    covering for the negative 3.8% paid to the lowest 40% of income earners.

    First, with the top 1% of income earners paying 40% of federal income taxes, almost twice their share of income, the rich certainly seem to be paying their fair share, and then some.

    Liberal politicians who say we need to raise taxes on the rich so they will pay their fair share are either abusively misleading the public, or hopelessly ignorant regarding federal tax policy. If 40% is not fair for the top 1%, what would be fair, 50%, 100%?

    Secondly, liberal politicians wailing about Republican tax cuts for the rich are also either misleading the public, or hopelessly uninformed. With the top 1% now paying 40% of income taxes, the top 5% paying 60%, and the top 40% paying 99.4%, where are the tax cuts for rich? Clearly, federal income taxes are overwhelmingly paid by upper income earners.

    Thirdly, the result of Reagan, Republican tax policy over the last 30 years has been to abolish federal income taxes for the working class, as well as the poor. That is the conclusion to be drawn from the fact that the bottom 40% of income earners pay a negative 3.8% of income taxes, receiving money from the income tax system on net rather than paying into it. That started
    with Reagan’s proposal for the Earned Income Tax Credit in the 1970s, before he even became President, which substantially reduced income taxes for these low and moderate income workers.

    The child tax credit first proposed by the Heritage Foundation also substantially reduced income taxes for these workers. Moreover, President Reagan’s across the board 25% cut in income tax rates lowered the rates proportionally for these workers as well. President Bush further cut 4
    income tax rates for the lowest income taxpayers by 33%, while only reducing income tax rates for the highest income earners by 11%. That certainly did not favor the rich, contrary to so much silly, crass political rhetoric.

    Fourthly, the result of Reagan, Republican tax policy over the last 30 years has been to almost abolish federal income taxes for the middle class. That is the conclusion to be drawn from the fact that the middle 20% of income earners pay only 4.4% of federal income taxes. Hillary Clinton falsely said during the Democrat primaries this year that Republicans had cut taxes so
    much for the rich that it was hurting the middle class. But in light of the truth, it is hearing thatridiculously false statement coming from a top political leader that hurts.

    http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/...hattheypay.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    I maintain the information did not come from the IRS as you said but came from a reichwing rag and is not to be trusted under any circumstances.
    And yet you never use the IRS numbers to back up your idiotic claims do ya?

    All you can do is attack his links. If they are wrong you could easily prove them wrong with accurate numbers from the IRS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    And yet you never use the IRS numbers to back up your idiotic claims do ya?

    All you can do is attack his links. If they are wrong you could easily prove them wrong with accurate numbers from the IRS.
    It is much easier for him to blindly accept Lord Obama's talking points and ignore reality


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    Damn, rsr!!!!!!!!! You repost with new stuff that goes right back to the same damned ignorant fearmongers that gave you the information to begin with!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    It is much easier for him to blindly accept Lord Obama's talking points and ignore reality
    Do you have anything independent or otherwise trustworthy to back up the silly shit that you're trying to pass off as information from the IRS?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeesssssshhhhh!!!!!!! You're dumber than I ever imagined!!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Damn, rsr!!!!!!!!! You repost with new stuff that goes right back to the same damned ignorant fearmongers that gave you the information to begin with!!!!!!!!



    Do you have anything independent or otherwise trustworthy to back up the silly shit that you're trying to pass off as information from the IRS?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeesssssshhhhh!!!!!!! You're dumber than I ever imagined!!!!!!!!!

    Congrats PB. You have won the Lord Obama Stooge Award


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    Just think!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't back up your silly shit that you report as truth and give me an award!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    Congrats PB. You have won the Lord Obama Stooge Award
    That's mighty white of you, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How about a Sasparilly?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Just think!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't back up your silly shit that you report as truth and give me an award!!!!!!!!!!!!




    That's mighty white of you, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How about a Sasparilly?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    I did back them up stupid. You are being your typical punk self who continue along his moronic way of igniring the facts

    You are pitiful little twit, but you fit in fine with the likes of Rev MFM, BP, and Gabby


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    You haven't backed up anything, rsr.


    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    I did back them up stupid. You are being your typical punk self who continue along his moronic way of igniring the facts

    You are pitiful little twit, but you fit in fine with the likes of Rev MFM, BP, and Gabby
    Do you always live in that fantasy world?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

    Have another Sasparilly!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    You haven't backed up anything, rsr.




    Do you always live in that fantasy world?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

    Have another Sasparilly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have backed them up - your problem is you have not posted anything to refute the facts I posted

    BTW punk - the Bush tax cuts INCREASED revenues

    Revenue collections hit record high in April
    Government spending also at an all-time high

    WASHINGTON - Federal revenue collections hit an all-time high in April, contributing to a further improvement in the budget deficit for the year.

    Releasing its monthly budget report, the Treasury Department said Thursday that through the first seven months of this budget year, the deficit totals $80.8 billion, significantly below the $184.1 billion imbalance run up during the first seven months of the 2006 budget year.

    So far this year, tax revenues total $1.505 trillion, an increase of 11.2 percent over the same period last year. That figure includes $383.6 billion collected in April, the largest monthly tax collection on record

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/


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    Quoting and linking back to the same bullshit source that you have already used in this conversation is not called backup, rsr. That is called repetition.

    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    I have backed them up - your problem is you have not posted anything to refute the facts I posted

    BTW punk - the Bush tax cuts INCREASED revenues

    Revenue collections hit record high in April
    Government spending also at an all-time high

    WASHINGTON - Federal revenue collections hit an all-time high in April, contributing to a further improvement in the budget deficit for the year.

    Releasing its monthly budget report, the Treasury Department said Thursday that through the first seven months of this budget year, the deficit totals $80.8 billion, significantly below the $184.1 billion imbalance run up during the first seven months of the 2006 budget year.

    So far this year, tax revenues total $1.505 trillion, an increase of 11.2 percent over the same period last year. That figure includes $383.6 billion collected in April, the largest monthly tax collection on record

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/
    And quoting and linking to articles that have nothing to do with this conversation is ridiculous at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you have anything from the IRS that can back you up like you said?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Or are you continuing to fire blanks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

    How you doin' on that Sasparilly?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Quoting and linking back to the same bullshit source that you have already used in this conversation is not called backup, rsr. That is called repetition.



    And quoting and linking to articles that have nothing to do with this conversation is ridiculous at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you have anything from the IRS that can back you up like you said?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Or are you continuing to fire blanks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

    How you doin' on that Sasparilly?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    It shows nitwit that the Bush tax cuts INCREASED revenues - and people are paying MORE in taxes after a Tax CUT

    I understand your tiny feeble brain cannot accept such basic economic principals

    Your stupidity is proven since my links are based on IRS numbers and if the posts were worng you have pounced on the error

    Like most idiot liberals you are oblivious to facts, truth, and logic


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    surely psydeshow has irs links to show you are wrong rsr....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    surely psydeshow has irs links to show you are wrong rsr....
    I am waiting for them Yurt. He also bellowed how the Dems were NOT talking about taking over our 401K's accounts and converting them into government savings accounts


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    To both of you nitwits, rsr and yuk, I didn't post or quote anything from the IRS and claim it as truth like rsr did. I simply asked for a good link and rsr can't deliver. The quote and link provided by rsr is clearly faulty in information. What's the prob' with you uneducated and otherwise agenda driven nutcases?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    It doesn't take a genius to cherry pick, misquote, conveniently leave out pertinent information or otherwise lie like hell to prove about anything they want. My suggestion was that the article in question was flawed from it's outset, not from the IRS as rsr intimated and reichwing agenda driven. I remain convinced that I was and am correct.

    Get a drink, settle down for the evening, and be certain to dig the Bubba and Barry jamm at 11:00pm Eastern tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    To both of you nitwits, rsr and yuk, I didn't post or quote anything from the IRS and claim it as truth like rsr did. I simply asked for a good link and rsr can't deliver. The quote and link provided by rsr is clearly faulty in information. What's the prob' with you uneducated and otherwise agenda driven nutcases?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    It doesn't take a genius to cherry pick, misquote, conveniently leave out pertinent information or otherwise lie like hell to prove about anything they want. My suggestion was that the article in question was flawed from it's outset, not from the IRS as rsr intimated and reichwing agenda driven. I remain convinced that I was and am correct.

    Get a drink, settle down for the evening, and be certain to dig the Bubba and Barry jamm at 11:00pm Eastern tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Libs like you make way to easy PB. The tables, and charts are all there from the IRS

    But PB proves an uninformed, uneducated, and a person unwilling to seek the truth is a perfect Dem voter

    July 18, 2008

    Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

    by Gerald Prante


    Fiscal Fact No. 135

    The latest release of Internal Revenue Service data on individual income taxes comes from calendar year 2006, a year in which the economy remained healthy and continued to grow, increasing individual income tax collections along with overall average effective tax rates.

    This year's numbers show that both the income share earned by the top 1 percent of tax returns and the tax share paid by that top 1 percent have once again reached all-time highs. In 2006, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 39.9 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 22.1 percent of adjusted gross income, both of which are significantly higher than 2004 when the top 1 percent earned 19 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI) and paid 36.9 percent of federal individual income taxes.

    The IRS data also shows increases in individual incomes across all income groups (see Table 3). Just as the highest earners lost the biggest percentage of their incomes during the recession of 2001, so they have prospered the most as the economy continued to rebound through 2006. For example, from 2000 to 2002, the AGI of the top 1 percent of tax returns fell by over 26 percent. In that same period, the AGI of the bottom 50 percent of tax returns actually increased by 4.3 percent. However, since 2002, as the recession has ended, AGI has risen by over 81 percent for the top 1 percent (an average of over 20 percent per year) and 17 percent (an average of around 4 percent per year) for the bottom 50 percent.

    In sum, between 2000 and 2006, pre-tax income for the top 1 percent of tax returns grew by 34 percent, while pre-tax income for the bottom 50 percent increased by 22 percent. All figures are nominal (not adjusted for inflation).

    This pattern of income loss and growth at the top of the income spectrum is the same during every recession and recovery. The net result has also been a sharp rise in federal government tax revenue from 2003 to 2006 compared to previous years.

    The IRS data below include all of the 135.7 million tax returns filed in 2006 that had a positive AGI, not just the returns from people who earned enough to owe taxes. From other IRS data, we can see that in 2006, 92.7 million of the tax returns came from people who paid taxes into the Treasury. That leaves 43 million tax returns filed by people with positive AGI who used exemptions, deductions and tax credits to completely wipe out their federal income tax liability. Not only did they get back every dollar that the federal government withheld from their paychecks during 2005, but some even received more back from the IRS. This is a result of refundable tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which are not included in the aggregate percentile data here. (For more on the limitations of the data on this page, see the notes below. For a detailed paper on the distribution of the entire U.S. fiscal system, including all federal, state and local taxes, read Who Pays Taxes and Who Receives Government Spending? An Analysis of Federal, State and Local Tax and Spending Distributions, 1991 - 2004.)

    Including all tax returns that had a positive AGI, taxpayers with an AGI of $153,542 or more in 2006 constituted the nation's top 5 percent of earners. To break into the top 1 percent, a tax return had to have an AGI of $388,806 or more. These numbers are up significantly from 2003 when the equivalent thresholds were $130,080 and $295,495. Top incomes in 2006 are also continuing to surpass the peak they reached in 2000. At the height of the boom and bubble, $313,469 was the threshold to break into the top 1 percent, and then it fell to $285,424 in 2002 only to finally recover fully in 2005.

    The top-earning 25 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $64,702) earned 68.2 percent of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86.3 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $388,806) earned approximately 22.1 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.9 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.

    Average tax rates increased once again in 2006 as the economy continued to grow, even though there were no significant pieces of tax legislation enacted in 2006. Overall, the average tax rate for returns with a positive liability went from 12.1 percent to 12.45 percent from 2004 to 2005 and then up to 12.60 percent for 2006. (This does not include any refundable credits.)

    The 2003 tax cut was the second in three years, and although tax rates are lower, the federal income tax still remains highly progressive. The average tax rate in 2006 ranges from 3.0 percent of income for the bottom half of tax returns to 22.8 percent for the top 1 percent.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/250.html


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