Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed

[darin]

You're fooling yourself. People don't 'study' ID - they study life - they study science, which points to ID as a very viable (and likely) conclusion.

You keep throwing out the red herrings. Enjoy that.

[NightTrain]

I rented this dvd a couple weeks ago or so, it was quite interesting.

You would think that all ideas and theories would be openly discussed & debated in academic circles, but the blacklisted professors were an eye-opener.

Whether or not you believe in Darwinism or Creationism, the documentary was interesting to see how close minded the elite crowd in academia treats someone with an opposing view - when they, above all others, should welcome diverse theories and subjects to advance learning or entertain the possibilities of other lines of thought being viable.

Their position is the world is flat, and anyone else that suggests otherwise is a nutjob that needs to be removed from the circle and silenced with zero discussion.

I've always liked Stein. He's smart as hell, and his dry delivery always appealed to me. Big flashback to Bueller at the end: "Anyone.... anyone...."

[Missileman]

You're fooling yourself. People don't 'study' ID - they study life - they study science, which points to ID as a very viable (and likely) conclusion.

You keep throwing out the red herrings. Enjoy that.

More baloney! You only believe in one possible version of ID...the one portrayed in ancient Jewish mythology. You'd deny any "alien" ID theories with the same blind fervor that you show towards evolution.

[YamiB.]

I've seen various things since the film came out about how they have been dishonest in various ways. They distorted the truth about what happened to some of the individuals, they lied to some of the pro-evolution people about what this was an interview for, and they used quotes misleadingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelle...uotation_issue

http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth

I haven't looked through this site thoroughly so I can't say if it covers everything or what it goes into exactly but form a quick couple of looks it seems to bring up some of the valid criticisms of this movie.

The assertion that Darwinian evolution is to blame for the Holocaust is completely absurd. ID as with it's close relative Creationism seems to want to circumvent the scientific process and be put as equal to evolution without any of the same type of evidence that has been gathered for evolution.

[darin]

The assertion that Darwinian evolution is to blame for the Holocaust is completely absurd.

Where was that claim made? That's crazy!

[-Cp]

Real science is not out to prove or disprove the existence of a god or creator. It deals only in facts. Injecting ID into an equation just screws up the results as ID is not a fact but an opinion.

Hey dude, you want FACTS? Here - here are a TON OF FACTS:

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[-Cp]

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[-Cp]

If Missleman and Gaffer do NOT watch those videos I posted - they should shut their collective pie-holes as they are obviously PROVING that they have NO use for SCIENCE...

[YamiB.]

About how long are the video clips when put all together? I just want to know how much time I need to get through them.

[dan]

About how long are the video clips when put all together? I just want to know how much time I need to get through them.

1 hour 28 seconds.

[YamiB.]

1 hour 28 seconds.

Ugh, I'm guessing that means 2 to 2 1/2 hours with pausing to take note of claims and look up their refutations. Guess I'll start in on it in a bit after I finish reading about Caesar and Octavian.

[YamiB.]

Just finished watching it, I thought this would actually be something dealing with ID as an opposing theory to evolution using science, I guest that would be too much to ask.

I think this site does a rather good job of deconstructing some problems with the film.
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-01-09.html

[-Cp]

Just finished watching it, I thought this would actually be something dealing with ID as an opposing theory to evolution using science, I guest that would be too much to ask.

I think this site does a rather good job of deconstructing some problems with the film.
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-01-09.html

I don't think that site does a good job at all of "deconstructing" it - they have nothing to back up their claims there..

[YamiB.]

I don't think that site does a good job at all of "deconstructing" it - they have nothing to back up their claims there..

Very little is stated that would require backing. Most of their rebuttal disputes the conclusions they arrive to as being based on faulty reasoning and logic not by claiming the facts they used were wrong.

I wonder what really you thought this video would add to the discussion since it has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent design as an alternative to evolution?

[-Cp]

Very little is stated that would require backing. Most of their rebuttal disputes the conclusions they arrive to as being based on faulty reasoning and logic not by claiming the facts they used were wrong.

I wonder what really you thought this video would add to the discussion since it has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent design as an alternative to evolution?

Because the video clearly brings SCIENTIFIC evidence that there IS ID...