What if Berg now proves in the USSC that Obama was born in Kenya?

[Mr. P]

he died while "in the saddle" with his mistress. That is pretty memorable!

Not really, he wasn't the VP in 79 when he died.

[avatar4321]

Yes, I suppose you are right. And it would be too troublesome to have him impeached if it could be done instead by having him removed from the ticket. Though I don't think it would have to be decided before his Presidency, if he was unable to be put in the office and this was found out after the fact then I think it would be justifiable to impeach him on these grounds.

Thinking about it, if he was found to not be born in the US, I think it could be argued that he lied in his applications to get on the ballot. Im pretty sure that is a crime. So maybe he could be impeached for it. Id have to study it more indepth.

[retiredman]

Thinking about it, if he was found to not be born in the US, I think it could be argued that he lied in his applications to get on the ballot. Im pretty sure that is a crime. So maybe he could be impeached for it. Id have to study it more indepth.

why would you waste precious time on such a venture? Do you honestly think he was born somewhere else other than Hawaii??

[Immanuel]

Ok, while I've always been of the mindset that if ONE parent is American, so are their progeny, I've found some legal scholars disagree. Let's say that Obama was born in wherever, not Hawaii. Make it the 'given.' I'd contend that his mother being a US citizen, makes him a natural born, regardless of place of birth.

Yes, others disagree. Let SCOTUS rule, I think my contention will win, Obama was legal.

I completely agree.

Immie

[avatar4321]

why would you waste precious time on such a venture? Do you honestly think he was born somewhere else other than Hawaii??

Couldnt tell you. He hasnt produced his birth certificate. He could have been born on the moon for all i know.

[retiredman]

Couldnt tell you. He hasnt produced his birth certificate. He could have been born on the moon for all i know.

Did George W. Bush ever produce HIS birth certificate?

[Mr. P]

Ok, while I've always been of the mindset that if ONE parent is American, so are their progeny, I've found some legal scholars disagree. Let's say that Obama was born in wherever, not Hawaii. Make it the 'given.' I'd contend that his mother being a US citizen, makes him a natural born, regardless of place of birth.

Yes, others disagree. Let SCOTUS rule, I think my contention will win, Obama was legal.

On the topic, I think the 14th amendment should be repealed, which has nothing to do with election, but everything to do with immigration reform.

Well, State says different...

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant's birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years --

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

[bullypulpit]

As I've said before, I believe he won't be able to, because Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, and Berg is firing blanks. That always has been a silly, useless quest.

But suppose.....

Berg finally makes it into the Supreme Court, lays out his case, both sides get argued, and about next week, the Supreme Court rules that Obama was indeed born in Kenya and is therefore not Constitutionally eligible to take the oath of office.

Now what happens?

As you know, the election last night did NOT elect the next President. It elected the College of Electors, and THEY elect the next Prez.

So if the College of Electors gets together in two weeks (or whenever it is) to formally elect the President, and find this Supreme Court ruling staring them in the face, what do they do?

Elect Biden?

Elect Hillary?

Elect Michelle?

Perhaps they will look at each other and say, "Well, each of us is bound by law to vote for the candidate we were sworn to support. For most of us, that is Barack Obama. But now we know that Obama is a non-candidate due to his proven foreign birth, certified by the highest court in the land. So, the Electors who were sworn to vote for him, are similarly disqualified, since they are unable to vote for any qualified candidate. So, the remaining Electors will now vote, and whatever QUALIFIED candidate that gets the most votes, will be the next President."

That will elect John McCain, of course, since he got the second-most electoral votes, and the first-most are all disqualified.

Paging Mr. Berg.......

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P.S. How long do you suppose each voting member of the College of Electors would remain alive, after they did that?

Wish in one hand and perform one's daily ablutions in the other, then see which fills first.

[Kathianne]

Well, State says different...



http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Ok, and this doesn't apply to Obama how?

[Immanuel]

Did George W. Bush ever produce HIS birth certificate?

There was never a question of George W. Bush having been born in the U.S. The fact that P.E. Obama's father was Kenyan and his mother is reported to have been in Kenya at the time of his birth raises the question.

However, with Kathianne, even if it was proven that his mother (a U.S. Citizen) was in Kenya at the time of his birth, I would not in good conscience be able to really push the matter.

I'd like to see honesty in the procedure, but in my book it wouldn't have been a huge issue.

Immie

[Mr. P]

Ok, and this doesn't apply to Obama how?

It does..just pointing out citizenship isn't always automatic cuz a parent is.

[retiredman]

There was never a question of George W. Bush having been born in the U.S. The fact that P.E. Obama's father was Kenyan and his mother is reported to have been in Kenya at the time of his birth raises the question.

However, with Kathianne, even if it was proven that his mother (a U.S. Citizen) was in Kenya at the time of his birth, I would not in good conscience be able to really push the matter.

I'd like to see honesty in the procedure, but in my book it wouldn't have been a huge issue.

Immie

reported by WHOM?

this is nothing more than sour grapes from a bunch of crones who have nothing else in their lives to prattle about.

[Kathianne]

Take a deep breath everyone. I doubt this has squat to do with anything really on the table, if it does, I'll be shocked and amazed.

If via the 14th an illegal alien can work her butt off to give birth on US soil and claim her child a US citizen, thought of Illegal alien parentes.

Yet according to many, a parent that happens to be preggers, traveling abroad for whatever reason, completes gestation, gives birth to a 'less than US citizen?' Something is very wrong with this. Seems to me, a child born of an American mother or father, gets citizenship, as if born in US proper.

[manu1959]

Take a deep breath everyone. I doubt this has squat to do with anything really on the table, if it does, I'll be shocked and amazed.

If via the 14th an illegal alien can work her butt off to give birth on US soil and claim her child a US citizen, thought of Illegal alien parentes.

Yet according to many, a parent that happens to be preggers, traveling abroad for whatever reason, completes gestation, gives birth to a 'less than US citizen?' Something is very wrong with this. Seems to me, a child born of an American mother or father, gets citizenship, as if born in US proper.

if you have one american parent and one non-american parent and you are born in a country other than the US you get dual citizenship and need to declare at 18 .....unless you gave up your us citizenship at some point which is berg's contention.....

[Immanuel]

reported by WHOM?

this is nothing more than sour grapes from a bunch of crones who have nothing else in their lives to prattle about.

Well, then, produce the evidence.

I do not want to go into details, but there was a time when my wife and I were falsely accused of a crime. It took us four months of hell to clear up the accusations and WE had to prove our innocence. WE were NOT presumed innocent. WE had to prove it.

Point being that P.E. Obama is hiding something. My personal opinion is that it should not matter if he were born to a citizen regardless of where he were born that makes him a citizen and as far as I am concerned eligible to be President. But, hiding behind his defense of "I don't have to." would have cost me something very dear to me. Why should he be so privileged? Oh yeah, I forgot. He's rich and He's a liberal Democrat. That excuses everything.

Immie