Obama Planning U.S. Trials for Guantanamo Detainees

[Immanuel]

Thanks to his policies (as far as the war on terror) we have not been hit again since 9-11

We have no proof that Al Qaeda is or was prepared to hit us again after 9/11 or that Bush's policies have done anything at all to interfere with any planned attacks. It is a good thing that we have not been attacked since 9/11.

Bush and company can beat there breasts and say that they are responsible for holding Al Qaeda at bay for seven years and you can bet that they will especially if there is an attack any time during the Obama administration. That doesn't make it so.

With Obama running things (along with Reid and Pelosi) the terrorists know they will have a much easier time carrying out their activities

Obama has not been tested. He may very well be weak as you say, but he may also be something totally unexpected.

Immie

[red states rule]

We have no proof that Al Qaeda is or was prepared to hit us again after 9/11 or that Bush's policies have done anything at all to interfere with any planned attacks. It is a good thing that we have not been attacked since 9/11.

Bush and company can beat there breasts and say that they are responsible for holding Al Qaeda at bay for seven years and you can bet that they will especially if there is an attack any time during the Obama administration. That doesn't make it so.



Obama has not been tested. He may very well be weak as you say, but he may also be something totally unexpected.

Immie

Immie, AQ has a track record of continuing their attacks. Policies like (that libs opposed) like tracking their money, their bank records, listening to their phone calls put a damper on them

Meanwhile, libs rant about their rights being violated - and terrorists bust out laughing

[Immanuel]

Immie, AQ has a track record of continuing their attacks. Policies like (that libs opposed) like tracking their money, their bank records, listening to their phone calls put a damper on them

Meanwhile, libs rant about their rights being violated - and terrorists bust out laughing

Just because they have a track record does not mean they were ready for another attack. I'm not so sure they were ready for America's reaction to this attack and yes, that has some to do with President Bush, but maybe they had simply expended their American resources and have not yet set up the next move.

You can claim those policies put a damper on Al Qaeda all you want. It is easy to say, "we stopped them", but that does not make it the case. I hope and pray that George Bush can say the day after he leaves office, that we only had one attack on our soil under his watch. He can brag about that if he so chooses. That doesn't make him a success and it doesn't mean Al Qaeda was defeated by George Bush or that his policies did it.

Immie

[red states rule]

Just because they have a track record does not mean they were ready for another attack. I'm not so sure they were ready for America's reaction to this attack and yes, that has some to do with President Bush, but maybe they had simply expended their American resources and have not yet set up the next move.

You can claim those policies put a damper on Al Qaeda all you want. It is easy to say, "we stopped them", but that does not make it the case. I hope and pray that George Bush can say the day after he leaves office, that we only had one attack on our soil under his watch. He can brag about that if he so chooses. That doesn't make him a success and it doesn't mean Al Qaeda was defeated by George Bush or that his policies did it.

Immie

We can agree to disagree Immie

I do know how disappointed liberals are there have been no more attacks. Like in Iraq, the left was hoping for failure and only the worst occur. Now with Obama and the defeates left running things, I am sure if we are ht again - they will not take the responsibiity - they will blame Pres Bush

[bullypulpit]

This idiot is out of his damn mind


Obama Planning U.S. Trials for Guantanamo Detainees
The president-elect's advisers quietly craft a proposal to ship dozens, if not hundreds, of imprisoned terrorism suspects to the United States to face criminal trials

WASHINGTON -- President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan that the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done.

Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials. But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

The move would mark a sharp change from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11...amo-detainees/

Why, pray tell is he "out of his mind"? In nearly seven years, the Bush administration has yet to successfully prosecute a case against any of the detainees at GITMO under the military tribunals set up under the horribly flawed Military Commissions Act of 2006, where evidence obtained through torture, hear-say, and where the defense cannot question witnesses.

Had the Bush administration simply settled for courts martial under US military jusidiction and under the UCMJ, GITMO would never have been a problem. Instead, he had to set up legal black-holes outside of US jurisdiction where the treatment of the prisoners virtually guarantees that none of the evidence obtained in these facilities can be used in US civil or military courts.

[red states rule]

Why, pray tell is he "out of his mind"? In nearly seven years, the Bush administration has yet to successfully prosecute a case against any of the detainees at GITMO under the military tribunals set up under the horribly flawed Military Commissions Act of 2006, where evidence obtained through torture, hear-say, and where the defense cannot question witnesses.

Had the Bush administration simply settled for courts martial under US military jusidiction and under the UCMJ, GITMO would never have been a problem. Instead, he had to set up legal black-holes outside of US jurisdiction where the treatment of the prisoners virtually guarantees that none of the evidence obtained in these facilities can be used in US civil or military courts.

They aren't eligible to be tried in our court system.

This will only feed the terrorist beast by providing them the US and world media to broadcast their hateful message to the world.

Obama continuing the failed Clinton policies of trying these guys in our courts instead, allowing them protections under our constitution (They aren't citizens and few if any have committed crimes on our soil.), of which they have sworn to destroy.

They operate more like an army than common criminals. They were captured in a war zone. They have a military like command structure and they operated from Afganistan which they considered their country and had committed an act of war by "bombing" the towers with a kamakazi like attack.

[red states rule]

Back to the topic at hand,

Does it say whether or not these people would be released on our soil if they are found "Not Guilty" or would they be sent back where they came from?

Or will Obama and the Dems offer them citizanship as a way to express their sympathy for the way the poor terrorists were treated?

[Gaffer]

Back to the topic at hand,

Does it say whether or not these people would be released on our soil if they are found "Not Guilty" or would they be sent back where they came from?

Or will Obama and the Dems offer them citizanship as a way to express their sympathy for the way the poor terrorists were treated?

He'll offer them citizenship and a cabinet post. And there are CIA positions coming available. Not to mention the citizen security force.

[Kathianne]

Flames/off topic/etc., moved to cage. Discussion on President's Fault or not, new thread.

[Kathianne]

Could it be?


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/wa...on&oref=slogin

NEWS ANALYSIS
Post-Guantánamo: A New Detention Law?

By WILLIAM GLABERSON
As a presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama sketched the broad outlines of a plan to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba: try detainees in American courts and reject the Bush administration’s military commission system.

Now, as Mr. Obama moves closer to assuming responsibility for Guantánamo, his pledge to close the detention center is bringing to the fore thorny questions under consideration by his advisers. They include where Guantánamo’s detainees could be held in this country, how many might be sent home and a matter that people with ties to the Obama transition team say is worrying them most: What if some detainees are acquitted or cannot be prosecuted at all?

That concern is at the center of a debate among national security, human rights and legal experts that has intensified since the election. Even some liberals are arguing that to deal realistically with terrorism, the new administration should seek Congressional authority for preventive detention of terrorism suspects deemed too dangerous to release even if they cannot be successfully prosecuted.

“You can’t be a purist and say there’s never any circumstance in which a democratic society can preventively detain someone,” said one civil liberties lawyer, David D. Cole, a Georgetown law professor who has been a critic of the Bush administration....