Obama Wants Government Czar For Auto Industry

[5stringJeff]

i must be misreading your post

you cannot mean that if we disagree with current government we must move elsewhere...or do you mean...that if we hate the form of government so much, that no matter the change, we should leave?

I think you're misreading my post. Read the DP blog.

[LiberalNation]

where is it.

[5stringJeff]

http://blog.debatepolicy.com/

[red states rule]

So where does it stop? Be bailed out idiots who bought homes they could not afford. Now people want others to pay their credit card debt, student loan debt, their car payments

The Big Three made their bed - they should willing to lie in it

From the NY Times

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Granting immortality to Detroit’s Big Three does not enhance creative destruction. It retards it. It crosses a line, a bright line. It is not about saving a system; there will still be cars made and sold in America. It is about saving politically powerful corporations. A Detroit bailout would set a precedent for every single politically connected corporation in America. There already is a long line of lobbyists bidding for federal money. If Detroit gets money, then everyone would have a case. After all, are the employees of Circuit City or the newspaper industry inferior to the employees of Chrysler?

It is all a reminder that the biggest threat to a healthy economy is not the socialists of campaign lore. It’s C.E.O.’s. It’s politically powerful crony capitalists who use their influence to create a stagnant corporate welfare state.

If ever the market has rendered a just verdict, it is the one rendered on G.M. and Chrysler. These companies are not innocent victims of this crisis. To read the expert literature on these companies is to read a long litany of miscalculation. Some experts mention the management blunders, some the union contracts and the legacy costs, some the years of poor car design and some the entrenched corporate cultures.

There seems to be no one who believes the companies are viable without radical change. A federal cash infusion will not infuse wisdom into management. It will not reduce labor costs. It will not attract talented new employees. As Megan McArdle of The Atlantic wittily put it, “Working for the Big Three magically combines vast corporate bureaucracy and job insecurity in one completely unattractive package.”

In short, a bailout will not solve anything — just postpone things. If this goes through, Big Three executives will make decisions knowing that whatever happens, Uncle Sam will bail them out — just like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In the meantime, capital that could have gone to successful companies and programs will be directed toward companies with a history of using it badly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/op...on&oref=slogin

[namvet]

The alternative being letting them collapse which would be really bad for a lot of people. GM is one of the few big manufactures still left in this country and employee a lot of people. Do you wana have all the cars made in Japan.

Do you wana have all the cars made in Japan.

they are. even the big 3 have imports in the stables

[red states rule]

they are. even the big 3 have imports in the stables

I have a Toyota made in the state of Kentucky

[Yurt]

I have a Toyota made in the state of Kentucky

i recently traded in my camry for a japan built 4 runner, maybe it is the difference btwn a camry and a 4R, but the 4R seems better built and i asked my dad who used to work corporate at toyota and he said the cars are still made better in japan even though toyota employs the same employee/quality controls here. his opinion was the attitude of the employees made the difference.

[red states rule]

i recently traded in my camry for a japan built 4 runner, maybe it is the difference btwn a camry and a 4R, but the 4R seems better built and i asked my dad who used to work corporate at toyota and he said the cars are still made better in japan even though toyota employs the same employee/quality controls here. his opinion was the attitude of the employees made the difference.

My car has 160,000 miles on it, and no major problems. It gets 42 MPG and I could not be happier with it

[namvet]

I have an 06 camry 4 banger. around 40 MPG. ive had V-6 for many years. my truck is a Nissan 4X4 6. but I don't use it that much now that im retired. its an 95 high mileage. but still runs great. and their both paid for !!!!!

[red states rule]

I have an 06 camry 4 banger. around 40 MPG. ive had V-6 for many years. my truck is a Nissan 4X4 6. but I don't use it that much now that im retired. its an 95 high mileage. but still runs great. and their both paid for !!!!!

Mine is paid for as well, and it is the best car I ever bought

[namvet]

Mine is paid for as well, and it is the best car I ever bought

I got the Camry for my wife. since she still works.

[Binky]

If you think the goal of liberals is socialism, then we have reached liberal Mecca. Each of these "bailouts" are loans "in exchange for" a huge chunk of company. We are nationalizing these businesses. There are two forms of government that do this, Socialism and....? Anybody?

Either way you slice it, we'll end up with the government owing the majority of shares in the companies. Anytime you have government owned business, it's not good for the people. You are seeing the beginning of the end for corporate owned or privately owned businesses, if we aren't careful. The handwriting is appearing on the wall.

[red states rule]

Either way you slice it, we'll end up with the government owing the majority of shares in the companies. Anytime you have government owned business, it's not good for the people. You are seeing the beginning of the end for corporate owned or privately owned businesses, if we aren't careful. The handwriting is appearing on the wall.

With Obama, Reid, and Pelosi overseeing the auto companies, here is a look at the cars we may be driving

[5stringJeff]

I'm already wary of buying a car from the Detroit Three, because I have no desire to line the UAW's pockets. But if this goes through, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I'll even step on a Detroit Three dealership. Besides, Toyota and Honda produce cars in the South. I'd rather support union-free jobs down here than union-shop jobs up there.

[Kathianne]

I'm already wary of buying a car from the Detroit Three, because I have no desire to line the UAW's pockets. But if this goes through, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I'll even step on a Detroit Three dealership. Besides, Toyota and Honda produce cars in the South. I'd rather support union-free jobs down here than union-shop jobs up there.

I have to agree. Unless they do something about the contracts, those companies are going under. They don't have the capital left to even bring in parts, giving them billions would only delay the inevitable by months.

For years their r & d has been nearly non-existent, due to their costs of labor. Thus, inferior products at high costs.