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    Default 14-yr old girl learns - and teaches - about liberal "tolerance"

    Looks like an 8th-grader learned the hard way, what most of us have known for many years about how "tolerant" the liberals are toward those who disagree with them... and how easily even her friends can turn into such "tolerant" liberals.

    And this from what she probably thought were "ordinary" people in her junior high school.

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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/pol...,6396541.story

    Tolerance fails T-shirt test

    By John Kass, Chicago Tribune Columnist
    12:12 PM EST, November 13, 2008

    As the media keeps gushing on about how America has finally adopted tolerance as the great virtue, and that we're all united now, let's consider the Brave Catherine Vogt Experiment.

    Catherine Vogt, 14, is an Illinois 8th grader, the daughter of a liberal mom and a conservative dad. She wanted to conduct an experiment in political tolerance and diversity of opinion at her school in the liberal suburb of Oak Park.

    She noticed that fellow students at Gwendolyn Brooks Middle School overwhelmingly supported Barack Obama for president. His campaign kept preaching "inclusion," and she decided to see how included she could be.

    So just before the election, Catherine consulted with her history teacher, then bravely wore a unique T-shirt to school and recorded the comments of teachers and students in her journal. The T-shirt bore the simple yet quite subversive words drawn with a red marker:

    "McCain Girl."

    "I was just really curious how they'd react to something that different, because a lot of people at my school wore Obama shirts and they are big Obama supporters," Catherine told us. "I just really wanted to see what their reaction would be."

    Immediately, Catherine learned she was stupid for wearing a shirt with Republican John McCain's name. Not merely stupid. Very stupid.

    "People were upset. But they started saying things, calling me very stupid, telling me my shirt was stupid and I shouldn't be wearing it," Catherine said.

    Then it got worse.

    "One person told me to go die. It was a lot of dying. A lot of comments about how I should be killed," Catherine said, of the tolerance in Oak Park.

    But students weren't the only ones surprised that she wore a shirt supporting McCain.

    "In one class, I had one teacher say she will not judge me for my choice, but that she was surprised that I supported McCain," Catherine said.

    If Catherine was shocked by such passive-aggressive threats from instructors, just wait until she goes to college.

    "Later, that teacher found out about the experiment and said she was embarrassed because she knew I was writing down what she said," Catherine said.

    One student suggested that she be put up on a cross for her political beliefs.

    "He said, 'You should be crucifixed.' It was kind of funny because, I was like, don't you mean 'crucified?' " Catherine said.

    Other entries in her notebook involved suggestions by classmates that she be "burned with her shirt on" for "being a filthy-rich Republican."

    Some said that because she supported McCain, by extension she supported a plan by deranged skinheads to kill Obama before the election. And I thought such politicized logic was confined to American newsrooms. Yet Catherine refused to argue with her peers. She didn't want to jeopardize her experiment.

    "I couldn't show people really what it was for. I really kind of wanted to laugh because they had no idea what I was doing," she said.

    Only a few times did anyone say anything remotely positive about her McCain shirt. One girl pulled her aside in a corner, out of earshot of other students, and whispered, "I really like your shirt."

    That's when you know America is truly supportive of diversity of opinion, when children must whisper for fear of being ostracized, heckled and crucifixed.

    The next day, in part 2 of The Brave Catherine Vogt Experiment, she wore another T-shirt, this one with "Obama Girl" written in blue. And an amazing thing happened.

    Catherine wasn't very stupid anymore. She grew brains.

    "People liked my shirt. They said things like my brain had come back, and I had put the right shirt on today," Catherine said.

    Some students accused her of playing both sides.

    "A lot of people liked it. But some people told me I was a flip-flopper," she said. "They said, 'You can't make up your mind. You can't wear a McCain shirt one day and an Obama shirt the next day.' "

    But she sure did, and she turned her journal into a report for her history teacher, earning Catherine extra credit. We asked the teacher, Norma Cassin-Pountney, whether it was ironic that Catherine would be subject to such intolerance from pro-Obama supporters in a community that prides itself on its liberal outlook.

    "That's what we discussed," Cassin-Pountney said about the debate in the classroom when the experiment was revealed. "I said, here you are, promoting this person [Obama] that believes we are all equal and included, and look what you've done? The students were kind of like, 'Oh, yeah.' I think they got it."

    Catherine never told us which candidate she would have voted for if she weren't an 8th grader. But she said she learned what it was like to be in the minority.

    "Just being on the outside, how it felt, it was not fun at all," she said.

    Don't ever feel as if you must conform, Catherine. Being on the outside isn't so bad. Trust me.

    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    more child abuse.

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    Is it worse to be crucified or crucifixed? I'm confused.

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    I hope she remembers the lesson. People dont change as they get older. they are juts as mean and abusive
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Isn't tolerance such a beautiful thing.

    Just like the tolerant queers protesting, flipping people off, stomping on a little old ladies cross and screaming at her.

    Liberals at their finest. I never expect anything less from them.
    "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
    Samuel Adams


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    So the liberal media has succeeded in brainwashing the average 12-14 year old? What a victory for us!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    So the liberal media has succeeded in brainwashing the average 12-14 year old? What a victory for us!!
    The sad part is, gabby thinks she's making a joke by saying that.
    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
    The sad part is, gabby thinks she's making a joke by saying that.
    I would say it's more the neighborhood than the media. Oak Park is the first suburb west outside of Chicago. Very diverse-very rich and very middle and lower middle class, separated by I-290, a 6-8 lane highway, (The Ike). Bordered on the east by Austin, (national readers: this is 'The West Side of Chicago').

    Heavily Democrat area, with the 'rich' being huge donors and the 'middle/lower middle class' being workers.

    There is so much ironic humor in the tolerance message.

    I'm still trying to imagine a murder with a crucifix. 'Crucifixed' as a verb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    I hope she remembers the lesson. People dont change as they get older. they are juts as mean and abusive
    I think you are wrong.

    Most of us start out as intolerant liberals. Ever watch a baby cry? They are much like liberals. They cry because they are not getting what they want handed to them on a silver spoon or because little Johnny has the toy that they want. They cry because they are not getting their way.

    But, eventually, they all tend to grow up. And when they grow up, they become more conservative. Many, if not most, begin to realize that other people are not going to give them everything they want and yes... as they do finally grow up they turn into those selfish, mean, greedy conservatives that won't give the baby candy because candy will rot the babies teeth!

    Immie

    Damn! I did it again... I'm going to get in trouble for this post... but I'm posting it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immanuel View Post
    I think you are wrong.

    Most of us start out as intolerant liberals. Ever watch a baby cry? They are much like liberals. They cry because they are not getting what they want handed to them on a silver spoon or because little Johnny has the toy that they want. They cry because they are not getting their way.

    But, eventually, they all tend to grow up. And when they grow up, they become more conservative. Many, if not most, begin to realize that other people are not going to give them everything they want and yes... as they do finally grow up they turn into those selfish, mean, greedy conservatives that won't give the baby candy because candy will rot the babies teeth!

    Immie

    Damn! I did it again... I'm going to get in trouble for this post... but I'm posting it anyway.
    As you should! Truth is, real conservatives are like the 'good parent.' Wanting you to do the 'right thing' for the right reasons. Now, if you stray, especially while young, toleration rules. However, when it becomes over the top, meaning you have no sense of right or wrong, slap down.

    It's not a matter of not wanting to help out the 'less fortunate', check out conservative groups helping those with psychological disorders, (in the past, mental issues), AIDS, Homelessness, Salvation Army, etc. Flipside, less tolerance for those claiming handouts for ARM loans, credit card debt, etc.

    BTW, less tolerance also for Freddie/Fannie, AIG, credit card companies, auto makers/workers, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Immanuel View Post
    I think you are wrong.

    Most of us start out as intolerant liberals. Ever watch a baby cry? They are much like liberals. They cry because they are not getting what they want handed to them on a silver spoon or because little Johnny has the toy that they want. They cry because they are not getting their way.

    But, eventually, they all tend to grow up. And when they grow up, they become more conservative. Many, if not most, begin to realize that other people are not going to give them everything they want and yes... as they do finally grow up they turn into those selfish, mean, greedy conservatives that won't give the baby candy because candy will rot the babies teeth!

    Immie

    Damn! I did it again... I'm going to get in trouble for this post... but I'm posting it anyway.
    Ever watch a baby cry? They are much like liberals
    nough said !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immanuel View Post
    I think you are wrong.

    Most of us start out as intolerant liberals. Ever watch a baby cry? They are much like liberals. They cry because they are not getting what they want handed to them on a silver spoon or because little Johnny has the toy that they want. They cry because they are not getting their way.

    But, eventually, they all tend to grow up. And when they grow up, they become more conservative. Many, if not most, begin to realize that other people are not going to give them everything they want and yes... as they do finally grow up they turn into those selfish, mean, greedy conservatives that won't give the baby candy because candy will rot the babies teeth!

    Immie

    Damn! I did it again... I'm going to get in trouble for this post... but I'm posting it anyway.
    I disagree. Some people grow up. Not all. Some dont learn from experience. Maybe im just alittle cynical because of the people i work with. But I just dont think its a natural change. I think it happens when you have good parents. and some people do learn from their experience. But the most powerful way to change someones heart comes from the Word of God.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    I disagree. Some people grow up. Not all. Some dont learn from experience. Maybe im just alittle cynical because of the people i work with. But I just dont think its a natural change. I think it happens when you have good parents. and some people do learn from their experience. But the most powerful way to change someones heart comes from the Word of God.
    Sometimes even with good parents, the kids take a different route. Sometimes the 'kids' are right, in spite of the parents. Can go either way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    People dont change as they get older.
    This is my mantra! That and "everyone lies"...lol
    Michalkala

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I would say it's more the neighborhood than the media.

    Heavily Democrat area, with the 'rich' being huge donors and the 'middle/lower middle class' being workers.
    I have to disagree. My daughter is in 5th grade and they did a LOT on the election and the issues in her Social Studies class. She felt very intimidated for supporting Palin and we leave in a strongly republican county and city. Go figure.
    Michalkala

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