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    Default Miami judge rules against Florida gay adoption ban

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081125/...qtXYWNaoVvzwcF

    MIAMI – A judge on Tuesday overturned a strict Florida law that blocks gay people from adopting children, declaring there was no legal or scientific reason for sexual orientation alone to prohibit anyone from adopting.

    Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman said the 31-year-old law violates equal protection rights for the children and their prospective gay parents, rejecting the state's arguments that there is "a supposed dark cloud hovering over homes of homosexuals and their children."

    She noted that gay people are allowed to be foster parents in Florida. "There is no rational basis to prohibit gay parents from adopting," she wrote in a 53-page ruling.

    Florida is the only state with an outright ban on gay adoption. Arkansas voters last month approved a measure similar to a law in Utah that bans any unmarried straight or gay couples from adopting or fostering children. Mississippi bans gay couples, but not single gays, from adopting.

    The ruling means that Martin Gill, 47, and his male partner can adopt two brothers, ages 4 and 8, whom he has cared for as foster children since December 2004.

    "I've never seen myself as less than anybody else," Gill said. "We're very grateful. Today, I've cried the first tears of joy in my life."

    He said the two boys have been practicing writing their new last names, and the older one said: "That's what's going to make us a family."

    Attorneys for the American Civil Liberties Union, who represent Gill, said the case was the first in the nation in which numerous experts in child psychology, social work and other fields testified that there is no science to justify a gay adoption ban.

    The state planned a swift appeal, likely setting up a battle that could reach the Florida Supreme Court. A judge in gay-friendly Key West also found the law unconstitutional in September, but that ruling has not been appealed and has limited legal reach.

    The state presented experts who claimed there was a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse among gay couples, that they were more unstable than heterosexual unions and that the children of gay couples suffer a societal stigma.

    Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association all support permitting same-sex couples to adopt.

    Lederman rejected all the state's arguments soundly.

    "It is clear that sexual orientation is not a predictor of a person's ability to parent," the judge wrote. "A child in need of love, safety and stability does not first consider the sexual orientation of his parent. The exclusion causes some children to be deprived of a permanent placement with a family that is best suited to their needs."

    Florida Assistant Attorney General Valerie Martin said an appeal would be filed on behalf of the state Department of Children & Families. She declined additional comment.

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    How on earth do you honestly strike down a law claiming their is no legal reason for it? By definition if there is a law tere is a legal reason. The argument makes absolutely no sense.
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    If this judge were a thundercat....

    ACTI ----ACTI-----ACTIVISIM HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    (sigh).

    That judge is a moron. Foolish. That judge hates kids by her action. Maybe she's on the payroll of shrinks who stand to make MILLIONS trying to un-fuck the minds of kids brought up in such an environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    How on earth do you honestly strike down a law claiming their is no legal reason for it? By definition if there is a law tere is a legal reason. The argument makes absolutely no sense.
    What if there was a law that claimed midgets shouldn't be allowed to adopt?
    God bless America, but she stole the "b" from bless.

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    Hi red herring!
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Hi red herring!
    Hi non sequitur!
    God bless America, but she stole the "b" from bless.

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    Good. I wonder how many opposed to it have adopted children themselves after depriving children the chance to live in a stable home with their votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The ClayTaurus View Post
    What if there was a law that claimed midgets shouldn't be allowed to adopt?
    Then there is still clearly legal reasons for the law. the identity of the people doesnt change the fact that the argument is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des View Post
    Good. I wonder how many opposed to it have adopted children themselves after depriving children the chance to live in a stable home with their votes.
    No one has mentioned anything about a stable home.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Then there is still clearly legal reasons for the law. the identity of the people doesnt change the fact that the argument is stupid.
    So your issue is purely with the legal speak used? If the law was "It's ok to rape and kill children" and they overturned the law saying there was no legal basis, you'd have the same reaction?
    God bless America, but she stole the "b" from bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    No one has mentioned anything about a stable home.
    A single home with a loving parent/parents is more stable than foster care/group homes.

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    Clay - TRY to stay on topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Clay - TRY to stay on topic
    I am. Thanks.
    God bless America, but she stole the "b" from bless.

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    Growing up is hard enough these days without the added pressure on kids to explain their gay parents.

    They arn't doing these kids any favors.



    My mother was a foster parent for many many years and our home was very stable as were others in our area. People become foster parents because they care about children, it certainly isn't about the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigg View Post
    Growing up is hard enough these days without the added pressure on kids to explain their gay parents.

    They arn't doing these kids any favors.



    My mother was a foster parent for many many years and our home was very stable as were others in our area. People become foster parents because they care about children, it certainly isn't about the money.

    You're right. Only white Christian people who stand 6'0 feet tall and are right handed should be allowed to adopt children. And no child has ever complained about not having a permanent home.

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