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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    I love it how.....Al Bore the* politician* is the know all about climate in his movie.. So were all just suppose to bow down and take it in the shorts..........silently, and peacefully...

    Yet all the scientist in the above documentary don't know what their talking about...

    You are posting drunk aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    You are posting drunk aren't you?
    Why do you ask?
    You don't like to be faced with the truth...
    So you belittle someone..
    Last edited by stephanie; 03-25-2007 at 01:17 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Well gee isn't carbon neutral as good as you can possibly do while generating electricity?
    Certainly not. I went and looked at the TerraPass web site. If I bought into the carbon offsets nonsense, I could easily offset my own emmissions three times over, totaling up a negative output.
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    Name one thing the government does better than the private sector and I'll show you something that requires the use of force to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Why do you ask?
    You don't like to be faced with the truth...
    So you belittle someone..
    no, your post was incoherent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Certainly not. I went and looked at the TerraPass web site. If I bought into the carbon offsets nonsense, I could easily offset my own emmissions three times over, totaling up a negative output.
    well we must be using the same term in two entirely different ways.

    "carbon neutral" is a scientific term which describes producing power or perhaps any number of activities which do not produce a by product of carbon waste (like CO2) in addition to that which is already present in the biosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    well we must be using the same term in two entirely different ways.

    "carbon neutral" is a scientific term which describes producing power or perhaps any number of activities which do not produce a by product of carbon waste (like CO2) in addition to that which is already present in the biosphere.
    Carbon neutral in its most common use (as used by Al Gore) means that one buys enough carbon credits to theoretically offset his own emmissions and no more.
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    Name one thing the government does better than the private sector and I'll show you something that requires the use of force to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Carbon neutral in its most common use (as used by Al Gore) means that one buys enough carbon credits to theoretically offset his own emmissions and no more.
    OK, You are correct. In my lexicon that is a new use of the word. But it made the Oxford dictionary "word of the year" in 2006 defined the way you are using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    or not

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=5105



    you really should have guessed that this was a hoax documentary from the start.
    IF that is legit, that seriously doesn't explain every OTHER professional who commented. (shrug). You want people to believe in Global warming because you are anti-human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    IF that is legit, that seriously doesn't explain every OTHER professional who commented.
    No, actually the links provided state several examples wherein Durgin basically lied in producing 3 different psuedo documentaries.

    I don't have a horse in the global warming race. I couldn't care much less about it.

    But I know that there is an industry in place to create fictional "science" to discredit the real science, just like there is an industry cooking up the false science of "intelligent design".

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    No, actually the links provided state several examples wherein Durgin basically lied in producing 3 different psuedo documentaries.

    I don't have a horse in the global warming race. I couldn't care much less about it.

    But I know that there is an industry in place to create fictional "science" to discredit the real science, just like there is an industry cooking up the false science of "intelligent design".
    Mother Jones exposed Exxon/Mobil for funding over 40 groups involved in trying to cloud the issue of global warming.

    There is overwhelming scientific consensus that greenhouse gases emitted by human activity are causing global average temperatures to rise. Conservative think tanks are trying to undermine this conclusion with a disinformation campaign employing “reports” designed to look like a counterbalance to peer-reviewed studies, skeptic propaganda masquerading as journalism, and events like the AEI luncheon that Crichton addressed. The think tanks provide both intellectual cover for those who reject what the best science currently tells us, and ammunition for conservative policymakers like Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), the chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee, who calls global warming “a hoax.”

    This concerted effort reflects the shared convictions of free-market, and thus antiregulatory, conservatives. But there’s another factor at play. In addition to being supported by like-minded individuals and ideologically sympathetic foundations, these groups are funded by ExxonMobil, the world’s largest oil company. Mother Jones has tallied some 40 ExxonMobil-funded organizations that either have sought to undermine mainstream scientific findings on global climate change or have maintained affiliations with a small group of “skeptic” scientists who continue to do so. Beyond think tanks, the count also includes quasi-journalistic outlets like Tech CentralStation.com (a website providing “news, analysis, research, and commentary” that received $95,000 from ExxonMobil in 2003), a FoxNews.com columnist, and even religious and civil rights groups. In total, these organizations received more than $8 million between 2000 and 2003 (the last year for which records are available; all figures below are for that range unless otherwise noted). ExxonMobil chairman and CEO Lee Raymond serves as vice chairman of the board of trustees for the AEI, which received $960,000 in funding from ExxonMobil. The AEI-Brookings Institution Joint Center for Regulatory Studies, which officially hosted Crichton, received another $55,000. When asked about the event, the center’s executive director, Robert Hahn—who’s a fellow with the AEI—defended it, saying, “Climate science is a field in which reasonable experts can disagree.” (By contrast, on the day of the event, the Brookings Institution posted a scathing critique of Crichton’s book.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Von Esslingen View Post
    Mother Jones exposed Exxon/Mobil for funding over 40 groups involved in trying to cloud the issue of global warming.



    link
    So, they must be horribly biased, while the studies whose government funding depends on them predicting the end of the world and the studies funded by Greenpeace, an anti-capitalist organization, and the studies funded by the U.N., an anti-American organization, are all completely unbiased and only tell the absolute truth. Yeah, right.
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