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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    well the answer is a simple one, if you do not believe in your commander then leave, as yur lack of belief all bring down those around you aswell, and why would you want to be n a job if you don't like the boss?
    why?, so our military can be as ineffective as some European army?.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    The military survived the Clinton years. It will survive the Obama years.

    Not to mention, if the US military has fewer missions (i.e. not fighting wars), shouldn't it get less funding?
    The military will survive. It's effectiveness and ability to fight wars will be greatly decreased though.
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    In all fairness, the military is full of a lot of the same conspiracy-theory believing type far right people as here, so it would only make sense that they would be "wary" of Obama.

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    from Army times

    “Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief,” said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.

    For eight years, members of the U.S. military have served under a Republican commander in chief who reflected their generally conservative views and led them to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Now, the troops face change not only at the very top of the chain of command, as Obama nears his Jan. 20 inauguration, but perhaps in mission, policy and values.

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    Its a poll of active duty personnel who are subscribers of a magazine. It doesn't represent a true cross-section of the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Its a poll of active duty personnel who are subscribers of a magazine. It doesn't represent a true cross-section of the military.
    Whatever you say, genius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Des View Post
    In all fairness, the military is full of a lot of the same conspiracy-theory believing type far right people as here, so it would only make sense that they would be "wary" of Obama.
    so, now the people who are wary of the little Marxist is a conspiracy theorist??

    but I thought we were all a racist if we are wary of him...

    I'm so confused, what am I???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Whatever you say, genius.
    so you think the subscriber to this mag represent a true cross of a very diverse, military that include muslims, pagan, minorities, democrats, ect.

    The findings are part of the sixth annual Military Times survey of subscribers to Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times newspapers. This year’s survey, conducted Dec. 1 through Dec. 8, included more than 1,900 active-duty respondents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    so you think the subscriber to this mag represent a true cross of a very diverse, military that include muslims, pagan, minorities, democrats, ect.
    Actually I think the response was typical of the typical subscriber, not the minority subscriber. Why do you think differently?


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    I didn't say subscriber i said military as a whole which ya'll are takin this poll to represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    I didn't say subscriber i said military as a whole which ya'll are takin this poll to represent.
    Read your post again, LN.
    UNITED STATES ARMY AVIATION

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    Why the Hell should I have to press “1” for ENGLISH?

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    for people constantly disavowing polls ya'll sure are into this one as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    for people constantly disavowing polls ya'll sure are into this one as well....
    Not me...it's NOT a true reflection of the entire military force.

    1900 respondents ain't shit in the big picture.
    UNITED STATES ARMY AVIATION

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    Why the Hell should I have to press “1” for ENGLISH?

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    I was in carter's military too after volunteering while Ford was president. I was not big on serving under Carter as many of the respondants in this survey. What did I do? Served, turned down a 15,000 SRB and got out!

    In retrospect, one could easily compare the prospective adminstration of Obama and carter's. Situational circumstances are similar. The biggest difference being of course that Carter did not inherit a war...... thank God! He couldn't even handle a hostage situation in .... funny.... it was Iran if I remember correctly, so serving under him was tough, knowing that he would probably compromise the security of America, unknowingly of course, I always believed JC meant well, as I think Obama does, I just think their positions are weak.

    A young man in the military is taught the ways of being a soldier, sailor etc,... In doing so there must be a certain expectation that they are being led by strength. I remember very well my own questions in my mind while serving as to whether our president would make the right decisions in certain circumstances. I also remember quite well the instances when we were routinely intimidated by Russians, both in relations and militarily. There were many many close calls at sea that people today do not realize.

    Obama would be a nightmare to serve under to me.
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    polls or not, it is entirely logical for someone who has decided to make the military a career to be suspicious of a candidate who ran on the promise to cut military spending......
    ...full immersion.....

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