This is Torture?

[bullypulpit]

I guess you liberals want us to just send these enemies back to the front so they can IED us again?

Waterboarding is not a true form of torture. It is merely a mental game.

Do you do gooder liberals recognize that your namby-pamby approach to handling enemy combatants is also known by those who try to kill our soldiers?

They know exactly how to push your buttons so that they are not prosecuted.

It just rankles you to no end that reality has a "liberal" bias.

[PostmodernProphet]

it bothers me more that liberals don't have a reality bias.....

[gabosaurus]

We could always force the terrorists to read posts by RSR. Now THAT would be torture...

[manu1959]

We could always force the terrorists to read posts by RSR. Now THAT would be torture...

or yours........

[My Winter Storm]

Sustained isolation? Sleep deprivation? Exposure to cold? Nudity? What'd they do, take him camping? Heart problems? Seriously? What kind of wussbags did we let blow up the WTC, anyway?

Let us put you through all of that and see if you come out unscathed, shall we?

[red states rule]

Let us put you through all of that and see if you come out unscathed, shall we?

At least they are still breathing Sharon

Which is a better condition then the prisoneers of the terrorists end up

[My Winter Storm]

At least they are still breathing Sharon

Which is a better condition then the prisoneers of the terrorists end up

Yes, I would agree. But at the same time, it is not right to torture someone, especially when that person may well be innocent and will yield you no information.

[red states rule]

Yes, I would agree. But at the same time, it is not right to torture someone, especially when that person may well be innocent and will yield you no information.

First, we do not torture the terrorists. Second, few terrorists are subjected to these enhanced procedures. Third, we are trying to save lives and stop attacks

[My Winter Storm]

First, we do not torture the terrorists. Second, few terrorists are subjected to these enhanced procedures. Third, we are trying to save lives and stop attacks

They have been totured. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture, as is being exposed to extreme cold.
Few terrorists are subjected to it yes - and you must also remember that they are not terrorists until they have been found guilty of their crimes - but no one should be subjected to it. Trying to save lives is one thing but there is no certainty that the information you get will not be lies because the person just wants the pain to stop, and will tell you whatever you want to hear.

[red states rule]

They have been totured. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture, as is being exposed to extreme cold.
Few terrorists are subjected to it yes - and you must also remember that they are not terrorists until they have been found guilty of their crimes - but no one should be subjected to it. Trying to save lives is one thing but there is no certainty that the information you get will not be lies because the person just wants the pain to stop, and will tell you whatever you want to hear.

So how would you get the info that would stop their attacks and save lives Sharon

Say "pretty please"?

[emmett]

It isn't like we feed them pork chops!

[red states rule]

It isn't like we feed them pork chops!

served with the current copy of Playboy

[DragonStryk72]

Now the pity party starts for this terrorist pig who wanted to kill as many innocent people as possible on 9-11

So we let this terrorist go, where do we send him?

Let him go so he can take part in another attack?

Is this the Dems war on terror plan?



Senior Guantánamo official admits 9/11 suspect was torturedTorture left alleged '20th hijacker' Mohammed al-Qahtani with serious heart problems, says Susan Crawford


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Susan Crawford, the Pentagon official in charge of military tribunals at the camp, said Mohammed al-Qahtani, a Saudi suspected of involvement in the September 11 terrorist plot, was subject to sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold. She said the torture meant he could not be prosecuted.

Qahtani, 30, was barred entry to America in August 2001 and is alleged by US authorities to be the 9/11 plot's "20th hijacker". He was captured in Afghanistan in 2002 and brutally interrogated for 48 days using a plan approved by the former US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"For 160 days [Qahtani's] only contact was with the interrogators," said Crawford. "Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18- to 20-hour interrogations. Standing naked in front of a female agent. Subject to strip searches and insults to his mother and sister."

His treatment twice resulted in his hospitalisation with serious heart problems. A military report shows Qahtani was threatened with a military dog, forced to wear a bra and told his mother and sister "were whores". He was attached to a leash and "forced to perform a series of dog tricks".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ibunal-qahtani

No, our complete abandonment of morals and ethics are what are getting him off the hook. Using terror tactics against the terrorists, while having that momentary vegeance glow, does nothing but start turn us down that same path they've gone down.

There is not one shred of honor in what we've done at Guantanamo, and as I've said before, it now stands as a recruiting poster for Al-Qaeda, and every other group that hates us, and wants us dead.

[red states rule]

No, our complete abandonment of morals and ethics are what are getting him off the hook. Using terror tactics against the terrorists, while having that momentary vegeance glow, does nothing but start turn us down that same path they've gone down.

There is not one shred of honor in what we've done at Guantanamo, and as I've said before, it now stands as a recruiting poster for Al-Qaeda, and every other group that hates us, and wants us dead.

Now we find out, not all those poor little terrorists are innocent


News broke yesterday that President-elect Obama plans on signing an order to close Guantanamo Bay perhaps as early as his first day on the job. Well today, the Pentagon cast a potential shadow on the plan, announcing that 61 ex-Gitmo prisoners have "returned to the fight." The Pentagon's spokesperson said: "The overall known terrorist re-engagement rate has increased to 11 percent" from 7 percent.

The Pentagon's assessment previews the challenges Obama will face while trying to close the controversial prison. While some detainees present a clear danger, the US admits that others, such as 17 dissidents kept at Gitmo because they could face death back in China, should be released.

http://www.citizensugar.com/2692447


Is this Pres Bush's fault as well?

If Gitmo is closed DragonStryk72, how many of these misunderstood folks will you put up in your home?

[DragonStryk72]

this man was a soilder of a foreign army that declared war on the united states.... he was not in uniform in compliance with the rules of war or the geneva convention and was not fighting according to the rules of war or the geneva convention ..... this makes him a spy and a terrorist .... and according to the genevena convention he should be tried for war crimes for purposely targeting civilians and according to the rules of war this man should be shot as a spy ......

Right, but even spies get rights, and for that person to be shot as a spy, first their would have to be a fair trial, which requires enforcing the man's rights, as opposed to the current run of things. How do you outhate a terrorist? You can't, they have 500 years plus experience on us.